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6:09 pm - 03/28/2012

some people are convinced jin's punishment is a lie~



Johnny’s Jimusho, as a punishment for Akanishi Jin and his marriage to Kuroki Meisa without previous notice, has cancelled his 5 city Japan tour between April and May. Accompanying the punishment is for Akanishi to take the burden and to pay the full loss of expenses.

However, according to an entertainment pro, “If you think with some common sense, this penalty is unnatural. A company placing a full entertainment industry debt on its talent is legally difficult, and this is simply Johnny’s Jimusho’s made up apology performance”, they said, holding the decision in doubt.

“Normally, if you’re seeking damages from the talent, in this case, “A Without Notice Marriage”, you’d be charged with a breach of contract. Appearances might be cancelled, or commercials cut. However, without regard to that, the Jimusho cancelling the tour but treating it as damages is strange.”

According to a labor attorney, “To what extent Johnny’s Jimusho’s “debt” for Akanishi actually means isn’t clear, and in the first place just claiming canceling a tour as damages is strange. Even if Akanishi was to argue this in court, it’d be difficult for Johnny’s to establish the cause and effect between the marriage and cancelling a tour.”

Even further, a person related to music concerts supports this claim, “In the first place, the profits from Akanishi’s tours are solemn to begin with. The day before the opening day of last years tour, tickets were being sold for about 100 yen on online auctions, but buyers wouldn’t bite. Even I went to the concert but naturally, the vacancy of the place stood out, and every time, the raising of the curtain time was delayed. Even if you hold a concert for the preservation of the fans, I wouldn’t anticipate any real profits.”

At any rate, the cancelled tour’s date and locations were not announced, and even if you call it substantial damages, the expenses of the tour only stop at preparation. It can definitely be seen Johnny’s chose the part with comparatively little damage for the penalty.

A person related to Johnny’s Entertainment also details Meisa’s penalties, “It was decided Kuroki’s TV appearances and events be cancelled.” However, for merely form’s sake, there’s a possibility that the route with the fewest losses was chosen.

imo i do think there is a punishment of some sort, but the idea johnnys is "punishing" him as a cover-up to some other reason isn't really far fetched ~ 

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tsumi_riina717 28th-Mar-2012 10:13 pm (UTC)
IMO his punishment is a lie. It doesn't make any sense.

Edited at 2012-03-28 10:13 pm (UTC)
eskarina77 29th-Mar-2012 06:17 am (UTC)
imo, his punishment would be not having tour/promo or any kind of contract in Japan...
2hothere 28th-Mar-2012 10:16 pm (UTC)

told you....Jin is Johnny's son...Johnny is just making up his punishment to rebrand Jin.
shinhw4_girl 28th-Mar-2012 10:16 pm (UTC)
okay.. another chapter of the story....

just gimme a popcorn please.....
chibi_hime 29th-Mar-2012 03:59 am (UTC)
What chapter are we up to at this point?

Passing on the popcorn, but I did get some frozen yogurt!
analapana83 28th-Mar-2012 10:20 pm (UTC)
sads666 29th-Mar-2012 12:44 am (UTC)
I have to ask: which series was the gif taken from? Young Justice?
ohprecioustime 28th-Mar-2012 10:23 pm (UTC)
being a Japanese celebrity sucks
murasakinoumi 28th-Mar-2012 10:26 pm (UTC)
a guy related to music concerts doesn't mean that he knows what he's talking about. a guy doing the lights or the person working the ticket office could be related to music concerts. that person related to johnny's entertainment could be the janitor.
mrjl_writer 28th-Mar-2012 11:15 pm (UTC)
^This so much. Without names and positions, it's hard to verify that the person claiming to be an expert on certain matters really knows what they're talking about. They might, they might not. Is it any different than when so-called "insiders" or "friends" connected to celebs dish dirt (usually false dirt too)?
yuuki_saya 28th-Mar-2012 10:30 pm (UTC)




KameDa sisters approves. Jin passed KAT-TUN's survival course ;)
kazuya_raba 28th-Mar-2012 10:41 pm (UTC)
Finally this is posted! I read this in Japanese, and while my translation is just about similar, I think the last two paragraphs in particular had a lot of room for interpretation that a Japanese person might understand, but is difficult for non-fluent foreigners. The first few paragraphs just say that it would be hard to legally punish Jin, but in the US artists get sued for canceled tours all the time. The difference with Johnny is that I do think there was a tour planned. If tickets sales were bad before the marriage when Jin was technically at his highest popularity, then I can see Johnny wanting to cancel it from both a punishment pov and potential sales pov. Although the lawyer says Johnny wouldn't really have a case, we know that Johnny's get punished financially, so I also expect that Jin has received a pay cut whether he really has a debt to pay or not.

Now, the last two confused me because the original Japanese talked about how Jin is only expected to cover the cancellation fees for the venues, but there are also loses from prep such as goods and merchandise. So despite saying that the punishment was fake, excessive, and probably not supported in court, they then say that it probably should have been more? Then the Meisa part gives me the impression that they minimized the potential financial and press impact to her as well? Ok, so what does that mean?

It was a really badly written article that just didn't have a point. I have no idea as to what conclusions can be drawn based on this article. But I do know that based on album and ticket sales, Jin has a problem whether Johnny supports him or not, and he should probably do something like Yamapi just did to get his fans back on board in Japan.
familytables 29th-Mar-2012 02:49 am (UTC)
"If tickets sales were bad before the marriage when Jin was technically at his highest popularity, then I can see Johnny wanting to cancel it from both a punishment pov and potential sales pov."

This really is how I'm taking it and really it's simple. The company has a huge chance of losing money, why would they want that?

Jin is a performer. Having that taken away is a punishment. Making him pay for the venues, is just another way of docking his pay or making him pay a fee for breaking any contrck agreement. I'm sure those are not cheep and him would've been coming off cheep if they had only made him pay for the goods and merchandise.

Really I don't know where this person is coming from, but I'm a bit iffy about them. Also why even drag the US music market into things. The rules and way the Western music work is highly differant then there. And lastly really, what is Jin going to do? Sue the company and leave? That's kind of how they try to make it sound like.

I totally agree, Jin needs to drop his "American Dream" and realize he's breaking on of the top rules of music. "Don't lose you're home fan base."
cruel_idol 28th-Mar-2012 10:50 pm (UTC)
He's probably going through the learning process with the PR team in order to stage a proper comeback...the usual "I've seen the error of my ways and whatnot". Familiar stuff. Don't get me wrong he'll probably be sincere about it too, it's just going to take some good lessons in what to say and what not to say to get his message across.

After watching this, I have no doubt that he'd make a good father:



Edited at 2012-03-28 10:52 pm (UTC)
otai 28th-Mar-2012 11:06 pm (UTC)
I'm thinking like that from the beginning. It just really sounds like "we have to make up something so let's say this" so it's not surprising people have so many doubts.
atelierlune 28th-Mar-2012 11:15 pm (UTC)
Maybe it is strange... but from where I'm sitting, Johnny himself is strange.
newsvsyamapi 29th-Mar-2012 12:19 am (UTC)
MTE...
chizzyrei Re: Are we being trolled?29th-Mar-2012 12:34 am (UTC)
He might still be punished, though they might have exaggerated a bit on what he has to pay, just so to make up this whole "he's apologetic enough" so he can return after a period of time.

since i think it's accurate that his activities are currently on hold/ mgt won't push for more activities or releases, you can see that as a form of punishment as well.
nekobot01 29th-Mar-2012 12:44 am (UTC)
Even if you hold a concert for the preservation of the fans, I wouldn’t anticipate any real profits.”

So, maybe Jin's punishment is that Johnny's is accelerating the decline of his career with as little possible financial damages to themselves.
ungalad 29th-Mar-2012 01:19 am (UTC)
Mmm... possibly. I wonder what he'll do if he gets stuck with no jobs but at the same time can't resign the agency. :O Could he an Meisa pull an ayaka/Mizushima Hiro?
soundczech 29th-Mar-2012 02:12 am (UTC)
it's entirely possible that the punishment is a lie to help JE save face and satisfy those baying for jin's blood (there are many) but the argument about the legality... meh. it's JE. all they need is for Jin to agree to pay the damages, which he is likely to do if the alternative is having his contract terminated altogether.
kochan_addict 29th-Mar-2012 03:53 am (UTC)
I call BS on this whole article.
As someone with some experience with event planning, concert halls take a deposit based on the number of people expected to buy tickets (or any other calculation as to renting costs), and then a percentage of the sales go to the venue. Or, something I rarely encountered, the venue gives you a quote and you pay a certain percentage in advance to book the place, and then the rest after the event.
Whichever happens, whatever you paid in advance is the cancellation fee.
And that's what Jin supposedly has to pay.
How big the sums are? Who knows. But the bottom line is they exist. Someone paid them and I can only assume the Jimusho would want to make sure that money didn't just go to waste.
Using it to "teach Jin a lesson" is not that far fetched, imho.

As for Johnny's actions being legal or not, it's legal.
They can claim Jin's recent actions brought a decrees in margins (pre-production costs partially/not covered by expected tickets and goods sales). To prevent any possible loses, the company had to cancel the whole tour and thus is it Jin's responsibility to pay the money already spent.

It is logical that Johnny put the tour on temporary hold, withholding the announcement about dates and venues, in order to see how the US tour survives the scandal.Once the sales were counted and Jin's behavior measured, they probably decided not to take a chance with the home tour. A failed tour on foreign lands can be excused, a failed tour at home is a much more difficult thing to overcome.

Meisa had sponsors contracts and TV appearances that her company could cancel to do some damage control, Jin only had this supposed tour and the same way Meisa's stuff got cancelled, so did Jin's. It's that simple.


And I'm sure I had something more about the issue, but I can't be bothered to remember.
b_akakame 29th-Mar-2012 08:11 am (UTC)
MTE!
chibi_hime 29th-Mar-2012 04:08 am (UTC)
I don't even care anymore... And I usually live off this stuff.

Whether or not the "punishment" was over blown or not, Jin needs to learn his lesson and respect his fans and others in his company.

Oh and funny his last Japanese concert tickets were going for 100 yen on Yahoo!Auction when people in the fanclub (me) couldn't hit for tickets by balloting. TWICE. Riite...

Edited at 2012-03-29 04:09 am (UTC)
yuuki_saya 29th-Mar-2012 06:22 am (UTC)
Someone wants to make in impression, than Jin is less popular than in reality? And I also don't believe in "100 yen tickets", that would show anywhere if it was true. Like a good material to write an article "Jin loses his popularity" or something like that.

What really happened between Jin and JE will remain probably one of the best hidden secrets.
benihime99 29th-Mar-2012 07:37 am (UTC)
That sound like a lie to me because JE is a business if there was money to make with Jin's concert they'd go along no matter what because money is much more important to them than Jin's action.
I feel like Jin concert wasn't selling so great and JE only use his past action as an excuse to cancel the dates.
tsuyoi_hikari 29th-Mar-2012 10:00 am (UTC)
Couldn't agree for more.
colourful_light 29th-Mar-2012 08:04 am (UTC)
Oh come on! It's obvious Johnny canceled Jin's tour because no one would attend the concerts!
If the Japanese fans are as upset as the press described it Jin would have found himself in an empty venue.
aishayue 30th-Mar-2012 03:36 am (UTC)
sadly nodding...
tsuyoi_hikari 29th-Mar-2012 09:59 am (UTC)
Wait, does this article imply that even his Yellow Gold tour last year was not sold out? They sell the tickets 100yen per ticket a day before the concert? Is this for real? :O
mjspice 29th-Mar-2012 10:17 am (UTC)
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shy_mizuno I'm not going against Jin, but...29th-Mar-2012 06:56 pm (UTC)
When 'breaching the contract' isn't the offending party responsible for paying reparations? Couldn't these reparations be the expenses Johnny has to pay because of the response to Kuroki and Jin's wedding?
al_faith 29th-Mar-2012 08:34 pm (UTC)
this all is just fanfiction, gal~~
everything is a lie xd
kylie1984 31st-Mar-2012 12:11 am (UTC)
it’d be difficult for Johnny’s to establish the cause and effect between the marriage and cancelling a tour.

Oh okay...
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