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6:30 am - 03/30/2012

Japanese PM Stirs Up Trouble with 'Comfort Women' Remark



Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda stirred up a long-simmering dispute between his country and Korea with comments Tuesday about a Korean statue in honor of the so-called comfort women forced into sexual slavery during World War II.

The Sankei Shimbun on Tuesday reported that Noda at a session of the Diet told lawmakers that wording on the statue saying "comfort woman forced into sexual slavery" is "far from accurate." His comment came in response to a question by lawmaker Eriko Yamatani from the conservative Liberal Democratic Party.

The statue was set up in front of the Japanese Embassy in Seoul, and the legend reads, "This peace monument reflects people's genuine desire to learn from history and remember the past on the occasion of the 1,000th weekly protest against Japan's atrocities by comfort woman forced into sexual slavery."

Noda also stressed that he asked President Lee Myung-bak during a bilateral summit in December to remove the statue.

The Korean government and civic groups here want Japan to offer a sincere apology and compensation for forcing women into sexual slavery for its troops during the occupation of Korea from 1910 to 1945. But the Japanese government maintains that the women were not forced into sexual slavery but volunteered to make money, and that all compensation was settled under a 1965 treaty that normalized relations between the two countries.

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tomoeicemaiden 30th-Mar-2012 01:34 pm (UTC)
*facepalm* I can't. I really just can't.
minecrafts 30th-Mar-2012 01:35 pm (UTC)
christ, it's like the five year old next to a broken vase insisting the cat did it, except that you don't even own a cat.
atarashiiyoake 30th-Mar-2012 01:52 pm (UTC)
That kind of implies the Japanese didn't force these women into sexual slavery, though.
gashinenai 30th-Mar-2012 01:51 pm (UTC)
benihime99 30th-Mar-2012 02:00 pm (UTC)
Basically
bleed_peroxide 30th-Mar-2012 01:52 pm (UTC)
You fucked up. Admit to it, own up to it, and do your damndest to make amends so these poor women can try to heal and move forward. Stop being childish about it. Good god.
squallina SMH30th-Mar-2012 01:52 pm (UTC)


Just, no.

Also, this statement seems to have come completely out of the blue. It wasn't even a "we're discussing this issue" or a "we're looking into the 1965 treaty and double-checking the phrasing in there" (both of which, while cause for concern, could lean on either side of good or bad). It was just a big fat, "You know what? We've decided that what this statue says and represents is wrong."

Did I miss something or did Noda really just drop that bombshell out of nowhere?

Edited at 2012-03-30 04:33 pm (UTC)
jeauexe 30th-Mar-2012 01:53 pm (UTC)
oh my god japan i consider you a second home and i really love and adore you and everything but i seriously cannot take the bullshit the japanese government is trying to feed the public and everyone else on the comfort women issue, denying it isn't going to solve the deeper problems which stem from it. sighs.
crystalluvshun 30th-Mar-2012 02:34 pm (UTC)
like someone pointed out before, the Japanese government already paid compensation to the victims, it's the greedy Korean government who kept much of the money to themselves, and now they're demanding more from the Japanese government.
The Korean government ain't any better I reckon, they're just greedy idiots who didn't even pass on much of the compensation to the victims.

atarashiiyoake 30th-Mar-2012 01:54 pm (UTC)
That's what happens when pride and 'saving face' is more important to a culture (generally speaking) than overall justice and individual wellness.

*sigh*

Own up to your shit, already, so everyone can move on.
antifools 30th-Mar-2012 03:18 pm (UTC)
Japan has already paid for all reparations and has already issued several apologies about the war. It's the Koreans consumed by jealousy of Japan's seeming popularity with the rest of the world that keeps them from moving on. God, all the other countries in East Asia occupied by Japan doesn't hold any grudge against Japan anymore. And they went through similar hardships. No amount of compensation or apology from Japan would satisfy Korea until Japan falls behind them in the world stage. But a century later and they're still behind their former colonizers and that's what's keeping this simmering issue alive.
exdream1999 30th-Mar-2012 01:57 pm (UTC)
To quote the wise words of a Japanese university student I knew: The Japanese government is full of idiots.







(Also, anyone else have a moment where they thought the statue was a person?)
keshigomiu 30th-Mar-2012 02:03 pm (UTC)
Most countries have a government filled with idiots.. unfortunately.
arashic5 30th-Mar-2012 02:04 pm (UTC)
You should just stick to the 1965 compensation settlement issue. I'm from a country where there's also comofort women. I know the horrible stories those poor women went through. There's a story how a woman went through a forced abortion and had to go "work" days later, got infected and end up cant have anymore baby because of it. Or how a woman decided to be one so that her teen daughter would be spared. So NO, mr.Noda, they didnt do it voluntarily.
atarashiiyoake 30th-Mar-2012 04:01 pm (UTC)
That doesn't change the fact that Noda is backtracking on what the government previously apologised and compensated for.

It's unfortunate and douchy of the Korean government what happened with the compensation money, but Noda is still being an ass here.
thefortysecond 30th-Mar-2012 02:27 pm (UTC)
from the conservative Liberal Democratic Party.

Wut?
exdream1999 30th-Mar-2012 02:33 pm (UTC)
I've always found that translation kind of humourous, because, as far as I can tell, the LDP has always been more on the conservative side.

I mean, you could nit picky and say that it's just a translation problem as the actual Japanese used would be more like, "Free Democratic Party", but still...
apis_cerana 30th-Mar-2012 02:27 pm (UTC)
Oh dear Jesus
fancifury 30th-Mar-2012 04:08 pm (UTC)
mte latrice
kenken18 30th-Mar-2012 02:40 pm (UTC)
Actually Japan did the same to Indonesian women at 1942-1945 when Japan colonized Indonesia. They didn't admit it too even though many Indonesia women who become "従軍慰安婦 (Jyugun Ianfu, the women who was forced to become sex slavery)" did demo and protest to Japanese embassy in Indonesia.

Japan just want their people still consider Japan's act in World War 2 as heroic action...for justice and right thing.
flutterbychild9 30th-Mar-2012 03:01 pm (UTC)
Unforch, Japan is all about saving face. 1965 is about as close to admitting it and making reparations as Korea's gonna get, but afaik they used most of the money themselves instead of giving it to the women. Besides, just WHAT is money going to do? An apology can heal way more than money, at least emotionally...the comfort woman thing isn't excusable, don't get me wrong. But you also have to face reality, people. :/
liime_arix 30th-Mar-2012 03:12 pm (UTC)
They're asking an apology too. They've been asking for an apology for years.
allthingsgood 30th-Mar-2012 03:25 pm (UTC)
there be some trolls up in herr and/or people who clearly do not know history.
baka_tenshi 30th-Mar-2012 03:53 pm (UTC)
yep. or anything about japan's constant denial.
rainbow_yarn 30th-Mar-2012 03:57 pm (UTC)
Part of the problem is the Japanese government's attitude about this is very likely spread across the nation, making it impossible for people to learn from history as this article says the Korean people want.

I don't know what the Japanese government thinks it's gaining by refusing to issue a sincere apology. The current nation is not necessarily responsible for its predecessors' actions, so I don't believe it should feel the need to be this defensive. Admit fault and help everyone get past it.

PM, YOU'RE MAKING IT WORSE
kamelover101 31st-Mar-2012 12:11 pm (UTC)
Yeah!! An apology isn't going to hurt anyone! SMH JAPAN SMH JAPAN!!! I CANT ANYMORE
atelierlune 30th-Mar-2012 04:25 pm (UTC)
If you're the Prime Minister of a country and you inherit an international incident like this, it seems like the very least you could do is refrain from making statements that are bound to ENRAGE one side. Even assuming that the PM as a politician is very concerned about not upsetting "rah rah our military past is glorious" types, situations in Asia right now are such that we need everyone coming together, not pissing each other off even more than they are. Even if anything you could say on the subject would touch off criticism from one side or the other, wouldn't even PC statements about coming together and looking towards the challenges of the future be preferable to this?
zomboid 30th-Mar-2012 05:32 pm (UTC)
Not surprised. Noda came from the new school of conservative nationalists and other Asian countries were initially worried about him becoming PM. I see that he has proven their concerns valid with this statement.
newsvsyamapi 30th-Mar-2012 05:36 pm (UTC)
WOW...
asaphira_sachi 30th-Mar-2012 06:15 pm (UTC)

(my own pic)
There are always citizens protesting at the government "rewriting" the textbooks. I wish they get more media attention ):

Anyways, Noda is a bastard.
say_o_kay 30th-Mar-2012 09:11 pm (UTC)
These people are great, I hope they get noticed. : (
impynymph 30th-Mar-2012 07:11 pm (UTC)
Well... I can only hope that Japan's track record with prime ministers means that this guy isn't going to be around much longer.
yami_no_hoshi 30th-Mar-2012 09:23 pm (UTC)
ugh fuck him. there goes my hope that the government would issue a real apology.
liveoutlove 30th-Mar-2012 09:23 pm (UTC)
The tags are killing me.
dramaticsurgeon 30th-Mar-2012 10:02 pm (UTC)
Noda was wrong, undeniably. But I wonder, if it wasn't Noda, would it have been the next PM when Korea brought up the issue again? Someone has to step up and stop things from degenerating further. Korea will obviously win no sympathy from Noda, and as Japan's representative he's casting the entire country in a bad light. But Korea still hasn't acknowledged their own role in the lack of closure for these women.

Noda refuses to acknowledge the severity of the plight of the "comfort women". Korea refuses to acknowledge they used the compensation money given to the women in the 1960s for national gain instead. Unfortunately, the only losers in this are the women themselves, as they're once again victimized and forced to become pawns in an international dispute.

As for Japanese textbooks mentioning past military glory and glossing over issues like this, it's pretty common for a nation to "rewrite" history to favor itself. I admit I don't have examples from other countries, so I'll use my own. America currently has trouble with very religious, very conservative council members essentially picking and choosing only those historical events and social ideologies they approve of that portray America as a strong, Christian-based country: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html?_r=1

It's sad, but unless either side stops for a second to actually realize what they're doing, there will be no winners.
benihime99 31st-Mar-2012 11:14 am (UTC)
In a recent communique the Korean gov said that they wanted a 'desirable' ties with Japan. So I think they really want to work this out, and I'm pretty sure that a lot of people from both side wish for an solution.

But one has to take into consideration that the korean gov is also under a lot of pressure. Last week two comfort women died and a congregation asked the gov to renew its demand of apology (not compensation but apology) about the whole issue. In 1965 the japanese gov (at the time) issued an apology. But recently several japanese officials have denied what happend during WWII. An official said that Nankin wasn't that atrocious another said that comfort women agreed to the situation. Ikuhiko Hata (an historian and Nihon University professor) wrote that none of the comfort women were forcibly recruited.
Those declarations are the one causing a stir here. I'm pretty sure that if those declaration weren't made we wouldn't be talking about the matter anymore.

Not to forget that a lot of japanese crimes were not setlled by the International Military Tribunal for the Far East (unit 731 for instance) because at the time foreign gov had interest in the matter and didn't want certain officials to be tried. MacArthur gave immunity to Shiro Ishii and all members of the bacteriological research units in exchange for germ warfare data based on human experimentation for instance. All of that participate in a general climate of distrust against the japanese gov (both at the time and now).
zomboid 30th-Mar-2012 11:03 pm (UTC)


I'll just leave this here. I wonder how long Noda will last?
tsuyoi_hikari 31st-Mar-2012 04:00 am (UTC)
Photobucket

It honestly makes me LOL looking at the 'list' of Egypt president. xD;;;
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