Arama They Didn't

4:55 pm - 06/08/2012

I wanna be a Jpop idol! (not me!, its just the article's title)

In these few months im noticing that many foreigns want to try to be a Talento or and "Idol" in Japan . i started to search some websites about how to become a " japanese idol" and i found some very interesting articles.

If you are thinking about making it big with oishii!project as an idol, please read this.


(Its a 2006 article)

It’s been awhile since I saw Thane Camus, Japan’s favorite foreign ‘talent’, on Japanese TV. A recent article on Crisscross News has revealed why:

This year has seen a bit of an upheaval in Camus’ life after he decided to leave the agency he had been with for 14 years, resulting in a bitter court battle. Camus says the worst is behind him, but adds that the protracted negative publicity has had an effect on his work offers. “I used to have regular spots on TV, but at the moment, I am limited in what I am able to choose. Fortunately, I have been in the industry for 15 years, so I have established a lot of relationships, regardless of whether I change agencies or not.”

In the meantime, having learned the lessons from his past agency, Camus and a colleague, Michael Anop, have established a new talent agency for foreigners, Eclipse Production (www.eclipsepro.jp). “We are foreigners dealing with foreigners, which is a little bit different. It will be for foreigners who speak Japanese fluently and have an area of expertise. We will be open from the very beginning about how much we are getting and what percentage we take,” Camus says.

I may not be much of a fan of Camus, but his move to create a talent agency by foreigners for foreigners seems like a good idea. For too long, Japanese talent agencies have made a killing by whoring out Japanese and foreign actors and comedians. It’s not uncommon for such agencies to take nearly 90% of their stars’ earnings. Many entertainers are paid set salaries much lower than what they would actually make if they were paid based on their actual television appearances. In Japan’s climate of one-gag comedians and fads that rise and fall quickly, this often leaves comedians and ‘talent’ in the poor house when their popularity dies and they are cut from their agency(in other countries, being paid to appear on TV several days a week over the course of a year might leave you with enough money to live comfortably for years). Most Entertainers see joining the greedy talent agencies as the only means to become popular, and they are pretty much correct. Most TV programs only accept performers who are provided by the major talent agencies. It doesn’t matter if you have a hilarious comedy act that beats the shit out of lame-asses like Neko Hiroshi, if you aren’t signed with a talent agency who is buddy-buddy with all the networks, you don’t get on TV. You’d think that entertainers would try to organize themselves and fight this horrible system, but it just isn’t happening.

Most Japanese people I’ve mentioned the system to think it is fair. After all, the talent agencies often provide housing and some pocket money to entertainers before their popularity takes off. It’s a risky investment to provide food and housing for an entertainer who could fail, so that entitles the talent agencies to take a gigantic cut out of any earnings that entertainer makes when he/she becomes popular. No need for change, right?

British Soccer Expert Tony Crosbie, one of the foreign entertainers who has signed with Camus’ new agency

Clearly Thane Camus and other foreign entertainers are not putting up with this bullshit. Right now Thane’s agency is focusing on promoting foreigners who can fluently communicate in Japanese and speak intelligently about topics. Perhaps this is good, since it’s kind of degrading to provide foreigners for the typical “wacky foreign dancing monkey” segments on variety shows. It might also spare them the fate of Bobby Ologun, a foreign entertainer who constantly degraded himself by playing moronic negro minstrel roles on TV.

Bobby Ologun, formerly Japanese television’s favorite negro comedian

Bobby tried to break free from his greedy talent agency, eventually culminating in a brawl in the offices of the agency back in January. The agency punished him with a 3 month ban on television appearances, which appears to have been extended indefinately. While Bobby remains under contract with the agency until December 2007, he has nonetheless started his own talent agency. He still isn’t appearing on any TV shows, but he does seem to be making a living from K-1 matches. Considering what Bobby’s television personality was like, this isn’t exactly a tragedy for foreigners in Japan.

There is a new survery translation over at What Japan Thinks today. The Japanese internet site ‘goo’ asked Japanese people what foreign-born celebrity they would most like to go on a trip overseas with. Thane Camus was the top-ranking celebrity. He might have trouble appearing on TV as much as he used to, but his fans still like him. Hopefully this is a good sign for Thane and his new talent agency. As an opponent of lame talent agency system, I’m all for the success of Thane’s venture (as long as he doesn’t actually end up ripping off entertainers worse than the Japanese talent agencies do).

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Also, for those who are interested i found many websites of agencies that take Foreign talents.

List is Here

And:
Hori Agency
Lespros
Hirata Office
Tommys Company
Ken on
Fit Fan

I dont know if this talents agencies are good or bad, but if you are interested, taking a look wont hurt you,right? XD.

Taking again the topic, Arama, what do you think about the gaijins who wants to be famous in japan? I´ve seen many people arguing, telling this jpop idols wannabe that if they want to be a star so bad, why they dont start being famous in their own country?.   I think that is not wrong wanting to be famous in X country but i seriuosly feel pity for those who wants to be famous in Japan just because they have this country so idealized to a level that is simply ridiculous. I sometimes feel like they really believe that after doing a concert in Tokyo Dome wearing cute outfits and dating Jhonny's they will go home to watch anime. I mean, if you want to be an idol you MUST know that you are entering to a BUSINESS and you HAVE to make money like in any other career. Jesus....

Those glamorous bikinis photobooks are just a part of the job that is seen. They dont seem to read the part when the idols get hospitalized by fatigue and injuries (and all those fights about contracts and getting fired over stupid things, or getting sexually abused, or just being stalked by not only the press...but by everyone around you!! even family members and friends! I know Ayumi Hamasaki looks super cool in those paparazzi photos, but im sure she doesnt think the same!!).  

BTW, here some comments that i took from google that answered to the people saying they want to be idols in japan:

-Be careful in Japan as many "agencies" are nothing but semi-pornographic


-You almost remind me of MAGIBON (see Youtube)
But if you want to model professionally like in Vouge Nippon, maybe you sent your resume to their offices? Obviously you need to learn how to speak japanese. You can consider modeling for top agencies like that but you won't be like "JAPANS' NEXT TOP MODEL" or anything like that.

-GET REAL GURLFRIEND. get some real Goals

- You are not Japanese and you want to be a Japanese idol? know i have heard it all...lol

- The Internet is a dangerous place. You should really put some clothes on. Good luck with learning Japanese though. It's a fascinating language.

- Just being a foreigner in Japan doesn't mean anything anymore. If you can't make it as a singer in your own country, you ain't gonna make it here, either.


Source: Here . And if you have time read this,

My job here is done.

a_grumble_cake 8th-Jun-2012 09:21 pm (UTC)
preemptive side eye for anyone who attempts this
crimsonbreeze 8th-Jun-2012 09:25 pm (UTC)
As far as I know, Thane Camus' fight isn't recent... at least I remember reading about it like 2 years ago. It's a shame though, I like him. Does anyone remember that episode with him in Haromoni when he taught English? lmao

Also, OP: It's Ayumi Hamasaki, not Hamasuki.
iusta_rum 8th-Jun-2012 09:28 pm (UTC)
i KNOW IM SORRY!!!Its hamasaki!! XDDD.


And you are right, this is a 2006 article, but i thought it was worth reading it.
scubajr 9th-Jun-2012 12:01 am (UTC)
That episode was hilarious.
liime_arix 8th-Jun-2012 09:39 pm (UTC)
If you want to make a career in Japan. You'd have to be eye catching, speaking at least near-fluent Japanese, and you'd need luck. After all, look at Dante Carver:
http://metropolis.co.jp/features/upfront2/star-struck/dante-peaks/

Also if you're a weeaboo (or have some farfetch intentions), it's going to flop on you.

Edited at 2012-06-08 09:43 pm (UTC)
iusta_rum 8th-Jun-2012 09:48 pm (UTC)
What i like about Carver is that he is very carefull about what jobs he takes and...he is not an otaku that wanted to be famous in Japan!!!.

He is a good example of a foreign talent in japan must be and a role model.
Loved the article!
inachan89 8th-Jun-2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
Interesting article,even if most of it it's pretty well known,i didn't know about the agency this Camus came up with.
btw is this article old?cause i've seen Bobby on tv a couple of weeks ago...
iusta_rum 8th-Jun-2012 09:50 pm (UTC)
I said it before the article begins that it was wrote in 2006 ^^.
cruel_idol 8th-Jun-2012 10:23 pm (UTC)
So interesting this article got posted here, I was wondering what is happening with that Oishii!Project. Jenny is my ichiban tbh.

What is being said is true, and true of anyone trying to break into the entertainment industry as an "idol" that they should think realistically and realize it is hard work, not just variety show appearances and CMs. I was very surprised to hear about J&A groups like KAT-TUN having to do multiple concerts in just one day!


If there ever was an Arama48, just put me in the back somewhere as I am kinda stiff on dancing and pull me in the front for the slow ballads xD.
annhh 8th-Jun-2012 10:57 pm (UTC)
Arama48 LOOOOOLZ
glider 9th-Jun-2012 01:05 am (UTC)
what is this idek
katzsong 9th-Jun-2012 01:44 am (UTC)
Eh, you can get through with a 2006 article? it's not usual...don't the admins only receives recent articles or 2 weeks old at most? or this is an arama special/original?
reyahh321 9th-Jun-2012 04:02 am (UTC)
oh. I remember Camus. awesome guy.

i almost forgot about Neko Hiroshi. Does he have a new project or something? :3
bridgetothesky 9th-Jun-2012 04:34 am (UTC)
neko hiroshi is going for the olympics as a representative for cambodia. hes not really doing owarai that much but still appears on tv sometimes to show off his running lol. that is what hes known for now. its kinda weird but he's seriously a crazy endurance runner
bridgetothesky 9th-Jun-2012 04:44 am (UTC)
duno about all this but it is true that its easy for nihon to catch onto foreign talents in japan (although to be honest i always feel they're just kobaka ni shiteru them..). at the same time its hard because unless you're a model (like in vivi) you're guna have to have some kinda of broken japanese accent or some kinda weird discrimative 'gaijin' habit to get their attention.. Even now gaijin talents that go on variety have to pretend to have broken japanese even though privately they speak it flawlessly. (the only exception i usually see is Dave Spector. and thats kus hes not really a talent more of a producer comentator)
and of course, we can't forget about the whole korean boom. it's like if you're korean, you're in. like YonA.

also Bobby is up and about on tv nowadays. just saw him on mechaike and hes always around the smaller tv shows. (and of course privately his japanese is perfect. his real name is Kondo after all..)


Edited at 2012-06-09 04:49 am (UTC)
uledy 9th-Jun-2012 05:20 am (UTC)
"Bobby Ologun, formerly Japanese television’s favorite negro comedian"

Didn't read, scanned through, saw this and what the actual fuck?
nemuyoake 9th-Jun-2012 06:06 am (UTC)
Wanting to become an idol in Japan and not in her own country, it's the same thing as wanting to become a ''pâtissier'' in France and not in Japan for a Japanese I think.
iusta_rum 9th-Jun-2012 02:20 pm (UTC)
maybe, but some countries have more oportunities than others, you know. Its not bad wanting to go to a different country to make your dreams come true, many hollywood celebrities arent american. What i disapprove is that this people want to be an idol in Japan because they are thinking is easy, that everybody in Japan is otaku, and like the fame of their faves artist have and they think they can have it, and dont take in consideration how hard is the idol job and how hard is that path.
booksandsarcasm 12th-Jun-2012 02:37 am (UTC)
Is it really the same thing though? I mean, to become a favored pâtissier in France for a foreigner would be quite an accomplishment for a aspiring chef right? I don't know that the Japanese Idol system is world renowned or has the same kind of cultural reputation that Cuisine (especially baking) has in France. I think a more on par comparison to that would be a foreigner wanting to become a sushi chef in Japan.
terrorpinguchib 9th-Jun-2012 11:36 am (UTC)
The Internet is a dangerous place. You should really put some clothes on. Good luck with learning Japanese though. It's a fascinating language.

i've read this somewhere before, but i just can't remember where... youtube?
iusta_rum 9th-Jun-2012 02:22 pm (UTC)
i read it in yahoo answer. The one who made the question was asking what she needs to be an idol in japan and posted a link of her video in youtube and somebody replied that.

Edited at 2012-06-09 02:24 pm (UTC)
mjspice 9th-Jun-2012 11:58 am (UTC)
Sorry but LOL XDDD
iusta_rum 9th-Jun-2012 02:27 pm (UTC)
LOL indeed.
rima_no_yume 9th-Jun-2012 12:31 pm (UTC)
very interesting article, thank you, and just to add, people who wanna make it big in Japan have a much bigger shot being behind the camera than in front of it, I mean, about 95% of the music composers,writers, producers, ingineers in Japan are foreigners and they're always sought after in that area of show biz :)
iusta_rum 9th-Jun-2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
Yes! you are right! and they make more money than idols!!.
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