Arama They Didn't

3:15 pm - 08/14/2012

cartoons are not anime



Written by MICHAEL KATEREGGA


A whole generation of viewers has grown up with the influences of anime and manga, and will be passing this interest on to their children.



Anime’s beginnings can be dated back roughly to early 1917, with manga dating even further back to the days of images woven onto silk tapestry. The earliest known anime (discovered in the 2000s) was produced circa 1907, but suffice it to say, computer animation technologies have greatly advanced since, Final Fantasy; Advent Children being the biggest testament to this fact, as well as a benchmark in CGI works.

Though Japanese artists and engineers experimented with earlier western techniques for a long time, their first real success came in 1963 with Astro Boy, a brilliant piece from Osamu Tezuka, a Japanese doctor and Walt Disney’s biggest fan. Astro Boy became the launch pad for anime within Japan and would be the first animation series to break into western markets, paving the way for Asian domination of the animation and special effects industry.

During the 1970s, anime began to distinguish itself from its western roots and began to develop unique styles and genres such as mecha. It was in this period that several filmmakers – most largely unknown outside Asian markets – became famous, such as Hayao Miyazaki and Mamao Ohbi. In the 1980s, anime was accepted in mainstream Japan and it experienced a production boom. The start of the Gundam series and the beginning of Rumiko Takahashi’s career was in this decade.


Akira set records in 1998 for production costs of an anime and the 1990s and 2000s saw increased acceptance of anime in overseas markets. Akira and Ghost in the Shell (1995) became famous worldwide. Series like Neon Genesis, Evangellion and Cowboy Bebop attracted attention from the west. Spirited Away, a Hayao Miyazaki (Princess Mononoke, The Secret World of Arriety, Lupin iii) piece, shared first prize at the 2002 Berlin film festival and won an Academy award for best animated feature in 2003. Innocence: Ghost in the Shell was featured at the 2004 Cannes film festival.

Now at this point it would only be natural for one to ask, so what? Anime, manga, cartoons, comics… I have seen it all, read it all, had the experience in my childhood days. Why bring it up now? After all, it is quite logical to reason, when one gets to a certain age, they begin yearning for a much more sophisticated form of entertainment.
And this might be true if the popular notion that cartoons and anime are one and the same, was true. This is quite false. Cartoons couldn’t be more different from anime. Cartoons are first of all primarily western. They are what modern intelligent kids – or so they call them – are exposed to regularly in an attempt to envelop them in disillusionments about how rosy and colourful this world is.

Cartoons are filled with men and women that don’t die, rainbows and continuously warm days, bright colours and eternal happiness – little of which has any basis on the real world. Frankly it isn’t too farfetched to call cartoons mind-eroding fantasies infesting kids’ every second and providing little complexity to challenge their little minds.

LMAO

Little can be learnt from cartoons, apart from the ‘edutainment’ on BBC kids – Teletubbies, Sesame Street – for those less informed about what toddlers watch these days.
Anime is about ‘real life’. Even the most flashy, spirit-filled, worlds-exploding anime series out their will present important aspects of life worth pondering on for several days – although there are also as many rubbish animes out there as good ones.



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Thoughts?
fahrenheitjiro 15th-Aug-2012 01:19 am (UTC)
There are at least anime targeted and market towards adults in the Japan. Cartoons in the US are marketed towards children but can be enjoyed by anyone. The only cartoons the US gets for adults are comedies. But that's a pretty big difference.
brucelynn 15th-Aug-2012 01:21 am (UTC)
That is really not true

Looney Tunes is not for kids and most material on Cartoon Network and Nick are not for kids.

Flapjack, Adventure Time, Regular Show , Rocko's Modern Life, and Spongebob are really fucked up lmao.

I can't believe half of the shit they get away with in their time slots.

Marceline talking about putting Princess Bubblegum in the grass and sucking the pink off of her face chiilllleeee....

Edited at 2012-08-15 01:23 am (UTC)
taylorniw 15th-Aug-2012 01:25 am (UTC)
lol Flapjack is CRAZY. Chowder is some 'wtf' stuff too.
brucelynn 15th-Aug-2012 01:26 am (UTC)
Lol I almost forgot Chowder lol

Flapjack is dark as fuck lol
taylorniw 15th-Aug-2012 01:52 am (UTC)
there's a lot of jokes for a more mature audience in the shows that gets past the radar. people just don't notice it.
fahrenheitjiro 15th-Aug-2012 01:28 am (UTC)
You saw that I said "Cartoons in the US are marketed towards children but can be enjoyed by anyone," right?
brucelynn 15th-Aug-2012 01:29 am (UTC)
They are not rreealllyyyyy marketed towards children though lol

Most of those shows I mentioned have an older following and that is for a reason
fahrenheitjiro 15th-Aug-2012 01:31 am (UTC)
So basically you're saying you don't know what marketing is?
brucelynn 15th-Aug-2012 02:29 am (UTC)
....ummmmmm ok whatever

I don't know how many US shows you watch but they are actually the opposite of what you are saying.

They are actually geared towards older folks....children just enjoy them because they don't understand what is going on.
taecish 15th-Aug-2012 10:42 am (UTC)
brucelynn is a complete moron don't waste ur time with her

Edited at 2012-08-15 10:43 am (UTC)
haimazn 15th-Aug-2012 01:43 am (UTC)
Ikr everytime I rewatch the old cartoons I used to watch it's like "did they really just say that???"
liime_arix 15th-Aug-2012 01:38 am (UTC)
Reminds that all cartoons have adult jokes/undertones to them anyways.
brucelynn 15th-Aug-2012 02:30 am (UTC)
Rocko's Modern Life

they ate at a restaurant called The Chokey Chicken....
liime_arix 15th-Aug-2012 02:36 am (UTC)
And Rocko worked at a sex phone service. I loved that show.
fukkthedumbshyt 15th-Aug-2012 06:55 am (UTC)
Don't forget Ren and Stimpy that was just omg. I also don't Courage the Cowardly Dog should be a kids show. Then there's the Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, The Cleveland Show, American Dad, Archer etc.

Edited at 2012-08-15 06:57 am (UTC)
zombieroadtrip 15th-Aug-2012 01:33 am (UTC)
Yes there are cartoons targeted at teens and adults in other countries too. Anime may cover a wider range of topics and age groups than most cartoons because of its prevalence as a storytelling medium in Japan, but it's silly to pretend one is for 'children' and the other 'adults' when that's clearly not the case. You can't sit there watching the latest moeblob anime and then claim you're watching an a true ~artform~ here, lbr.

It comes off as the author desperate for validation for liking animated shows by insisting that they're for a more 'mature' audience. No one said there were no differences between anime and cartoons, just that framing it as an immature vs. mature form of entertainment is childish and kinda pathetic.
fahrenheitjiro 15th-Aug-2012 01:37 am (UTC)
But my point was that there aren't really cartoon series marketed towards adults in the US. We get comedies like Family Guy but those are just comedies. Anime has serious series' that marketed towards adults. For example the anime Monster. That's marketed and written for adults. It's pretty much a mystery/thriller that happens to be animated. The US has never received anything it's caliber.
ayumwu 15th-Aug-2012 04:53 pm (UTC)
Well can't you just say that it's because Japan and America has different cultures and therefore different viewpoints in everything that they do? Like I know that even though there are some really dark and mature anime that are directed towards adults there are still really hardcore anime otakus who watch it and enjoy it despite their age.

It's true that there aren't any specific cartoon that's really directed towards adults, even though I know some families do consider Simpsons or Family Guy or Futurama (or anything of that sort) inappropriate for children. Then if there are people who think like this about certain shows, how can you say for sure that they're not geared towards an older audience?
fahrenheitjiro 15th-Aug-2012 05:48 pm (UTC)
My only point was that written for =/= marketed towards adults.
hadashi_no_eden 15th-Aug-2012 05:49 pm (UTC)
Actually, there are serious cartoon series aimed at adults that are/were made in America: Aeon Fluxx (despite it's anime appearance is totally American)and The Maxx are the first to come to mind. I would also say that things like The Justice League and The Batman Animated series were not marketed toward children. They were more marketed toward teens and comic fan boys (most of whom are adults) as they took stories from the comics that came out in the late 80's and 90's and animated them.
fahrenheitjiro 15th-Aug-2012 06:01 pm (UTC)
Batman The Animate series : (Batman: The Animated Series premiered on the Fox Network's children's block Fox Kids on September 5, 1992 and aired in that block during weekday afternoons at 4:30pm.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Animated_Series

Yup, that sounds like marketing to kids. Not adults. While I agree Aeon Fluxx and The Maxx were marketed towards adults those are pretty much glorified art projects. I mean they're a blip on the tv radar. Those don't even come to compare to something like Monster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_%28manga%29) That show ran for 74 episodes. That show was completely marketed a written and marketed towards adults. There are other serious animations in Japan.
hadashi_no_eden 15th-Aug-2012 06:16 pm (UTC)
You didn't say anything about there not being any popular adult cartoons in the US. You said "The only cartoons the US gets for adults are comedies." Only is a pretty definite statement and maybe should have been "mostly" or "the only popular ones are..."

In the US, animation is a kids' genre. Always has been though I think with the success of those comedies that you dismiss, that may be changing.
fahrenheitjiro 15th-Aug-2012 06:25 pm (UTC)
How long ago were those cartoons for adults? Aeon Flux debuted in 1991. Those seem pretty irrelevant at this point in time since the only cartoons adults here constantly receive are comedies. Yeah, I know animation is considered a kids genre here. It's not that I hate cartoons. I grew up watching cartoons and still do. I would love for the US to make adult animation. Also, those comedies taken as seriously as cartoons for adults. In the same sense it's kind of childish.
hadashi_no_eden 15th-Aug-2012 06:30 pm (UTC)
Aeon Fluxx is never irrelevant.

brucelynn 15th-Aug-2012 06:32 pm (UTC)
How do you know what people take seriously lol?

People actually do take those cartoons seriously even though they are comedies.

Also I don't know why you and that other person insulted me , I was not rude or disrespectful to you in the least bit.
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