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3:46 pm - 02/15/2013

Kyary Pamyu Pamyu Reveals Thoughts On Minami Minegishi Scandal




Kyary Pamyu Pamyu was a guest on the French television program "Le Petit Journal" while visiting the country for her world tour "100%KPP WORLD TOUR 2013". During the show, the singer discussed the Minami Minegishi scandal that captured international interest.

"In the Japanese idol world, they are very strict about relationships. It's like in return for male fans' support, idols keep out of relationships and love, devoting themselves to their jobs as idols," Kyary stated when asked about the scandal.

The singer explained that she could love freely and openly since she wasn't an idol, distinguishing herself as a true artist. She criticized idols as people who act a certain way to get men to notice them.

"In my opinion, and idol's job is to suck up to men and do what they can to get their attention. What I do though is something guys will never love. What I'm doing is more like an artist than an idol," she said.

Kyary Pamyu Pamyu's world tour brought her to Europe during the beginning of February. The singer will be returning to Japan for more performances before traveling internationally once again.


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Yama Take 16th-Feb-2013 01:22 am (UTC)
Her comments suggest that the vast majority of AKB followers are male. Is that true? I'm under the impression (perhaps mistakenly) that they have a very strong female following?

I thought the no boyfriend thing was more about projecting a sense of innocence and purity to fans male or female?
love323able 16th-Feb-2013 02:07 am (UTC)
Probably
overall she was talking about idols tho. like how girls are targetting the guys while the guys target girls
Something about a dream partner...
nova_usagi 16th-Feb-2013 04:06 am (UTC)
AKB was a group originally made for male otaku. That`s why it started up in Akihabara.The people who used to go to those daily basement concerts were pretty much only middle-aged men.

I thought the no boyfriend thing was more about projecting a sense of innocence and purity to fans male or female?

In an interview, Akimoto said that he made the group for adult men who fantasize being with grade school girls, which is also why they usually wore the school girl costumes. A large amount of the AKB merchandise--like the softcore porn photo mags, the AKB themed apartments, the eating with AKB girls DVDs--is made for and purchased by their very devout male fans who believe that the idols don`t date (for them).

Not just AKB, but idols in general try to keep dating a secret because it usually upsets their fans who are in love with them.
Yama Take 16th-Feb-2013 04:20 am (UTC)
got it, thx for the background info.

I must say, it sounds a bit wrong when explained like that...
nova_usagi 16th-Feb-2013 05:23 am (UTC)
Well, it was a marketing move that worked well. Those otaku guys shell out lots of money for their hobbies, like girls but are too shy for hostess clubs and prostitutes (ie adult women).

And now AKB is liked by all kinds of people.
ararat010 16th-Feb-2013 04:56 am (UTC)
basement concerts

Which basement are you speaking of? Since when the 8th floor of Don Quixote is now a basement?

softcore porn photo mags

The what exactly? I love when people can't provide a rational argument and must resort to fact-twisting to force a point.

the eating with AKB girls DVDs

What are you even talking about?
I've seen you bringing it up dozens of time already during your senseless rants and every time I'm dumbfounded by your lack of background checking and the absolute overconfidence with which you talk about stuff you know very little of. If you're referring to the videos where they're dressed in vegetable costumes then they're not from any DVD, they're promotional videos ripped from Kagome's website and are meant as a quirky way to advertize their Koreichi vegetable juice.

Get your facts straight, Christ.

And AKB48 underwent a transition between 2007 and early 2009 that brought them to their current mainstream fame, in case you don't know. Quoting the same half-ironic, half-assed Japanorama segment from 2005, far before popularity even fell on their lap, just doesn't cut it anymore because the very image and target audience has undergone a metamorphosis in the meantime.
I don't even have to tell you that their initial otaku-oriented phase was also their least successful and their least remunerative, to the point that even a small theater like theirs was almost constantly in the red due to a lack in revenue. But maybe I should.
That alone must be enough to tell you how these "middle-aged men" (did you conduct an investigation yourself are are you bullshitting me again?) were vital to the group's sustenance, which is to say that they've never been especially not now in the year of Our Lord 2013.

Edited at 2013-02-16 05:00 am (UTC)
nova_usagi 16th-Feb-2013 05:19 am (UTC)
Look it up... They used to be "秋葉原の地下アイドル" ("underground idols") in the literal sense. They also used to do things like personal video phone calls to male fans, thanking them for coming to their shows and asking them to come the next day.

The what exactly? I love when people can't provide a rational argument and must resort to fact-twisting to force a point.
Have you seen the photobooks? Close up picture of a girl`s butt in a bikini or a girl posing to look naked is softcore porn. Google search "AKB セクシー" for example. There are always books being sold like that in the bookstores.

What are you even talking about?
There are DVDs of an AKB girl eating a meal and talking to the camera...so the person viewing it can eat his meal in front of the screen and pretend he`s having a dinner date with the girl. :/ AKB themed apartments were designed for single men who liked AKB. Have you seen the Apaman Shop commercials for them?

I don`t see why you`re so upset. Liking AKB doesn`t make you a dirty person. Wasn`t saying you can`t like AKB if you aren`t a middle-aged otaku man either.

ararat010 16th-Feb-2013 05:56 am (UTC)
Look it up... They used to be "秋葉原の地下アイドル" ("underground idols") in the literal sense.

What does it have to do with basements, again?

They also used to do things like personal video phone calls to male fans, thanking them for coming to their shows and asking them to come the next day.

Oh, so your only frame of reference is that 2005 Japanorama segment after all, well thank you for letting me know because I would've sworn you were trying to come across as an expert of sorts. For your information, the video phone call thing was dropped pretty quickly, by 2006 the service was already dead.
It's quite interesting to note how AKB's rise to popularity pretty much coincides with them abandoning all of these so-called "otaku-pandering" gimmicks in favor of an image that would appeal to a mainstream audience. Another case would be the fairly-known "gacha" prizes and the customer loyalty system employed by their theater, both of which have been discontinued several years ago. Anyone with a modicum of familiarity with the group should know what I'm talking about.
If AKB is still an otaku-oriented group or ever considered otaku as their core audience, then why none of these services ever brought in enough money to justify their continued existence and their mainstream appeal came through only long after they did away with them? Maybe something doesn't add up in your sophisms.

Have you seen the photobooks?

Yeah, and they look nothing like the photos I can find on any issue of Penthouse.
You should stop being overdramatic when making statements if you want me to believe you.

There are DVDs of an AKB girl eating a meal and talking to the camera...so the person viewing it can eat his meal in front of the screen and pretend he`s having a dinner date with the girl.

I really love the last part of your post because I'd wager you met exactly 0 people who did it or even claimed to have done it. Does your degree in quack philosophy come with the power of omniscience and other mind-reading capabilities? I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 99, can you guess it?
Jokes aside, why don't you give me a link to this fabled DVD, even just the title or an Amazon listing? I'm really curious to see if I was right in my previous assumptions, especially the one about you not fully understanding what you were watching.

Edited at 2013-02-16 08:46 am (UTC)
enorcsi 16th-Feb-2013 01:58 pm (UTC)
Sorry to butt in, but why are you so hostile? You can get your arguments/views across without bashing the other party with spiteful comments about psychic powers and such.

Also, don't take "basement" literally. It's the same as "underground".
nova_usagi 21st-Feb-2013 06:03 pm (UTC)
Also, don't take "basement" literally. It's the same as "underground".
Exactly. Kind of different, but as you`re probably aware, sometimes department stores have the mini grocery store and food vendors in the basement floors while other shopping starts on the 1st floor.

Makes sense to have it underground in order to have better control of the lighting no matter what time of day. And fans can stomp or hop more without causing a ruckus to the floor below.
ditzyandroid 16th-Feb-2013 10:21 pm (UTC)
Wow, take a chill pill dude, you're overreacting.
delicious_pocky 17th-Feb-2013 03:08 am (UTC)
AKB stans are cray cray.

especially the ones that try to deny the OBVIOUS (i.e.: AKB core fanbase is made up by otaku men)
nova_usagi 21st-Feb-2013 05:57 pm (UTC)
Sorry for the late response, I don`t have net in my house and only hit up the net cafe once a week.

Oh, so your only frame of reference is that 2005 Japanorama segment after all, well thank you for letting me know because I would've sworn you were trying to come across as an expert of sorts. For your information, the video phone call thing was dropped pretty quickly, by 2006 the service was already dead.
I don`t think I need to be an expert on the subject. And you`re not an expert on AKB, so I don`t see the point of bringing that up. Also, the Japanprama clip is relevant because Akimoto himself explains that he designed the group for Otaku men. The clip on AKB48 here which includes Akimoto talking about the group. It includes him talking about how the male fans want to have a love relationship with the girls...

Possibly enabling an unhealthy viewpoint for adult men toward young women aside, it worked really well concerning profit. Single men open to blowing a bunch of money (and are single and like girls) but to shy to go to a snack bar, hostess club, or see prostitutes are good targets. Get them hooked/devoted and they will continually pour their money into that hobby.

I really love the last part of your post because I'd wager you met exactly 0 people who did it or even claimed to have done it. Does your degree in quack philosophy come with the power of omniscience and other mind-reading capabilities? I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 99, can you guess it?

I`m not sure what you`re getting at. I don`t personally know anyone who`s waited in line to shake one of the AKB girls` hand either, but the are many people who do it.

"美少女が一緒にご飯を食べてくれるDVD「お食事の時間」" doesn`t have AKB girls in it, but it`s an example. DVDs like this actually sell.

And on books, I mean ones like the following:
AKB1/48 アイドルとグアムで恋したら・・・ 公式ガイドブック
渡辺麻友写真集『まゆゆ』
柏木由紀写真集『ゆ、ゆ、ゆきりん・・・』

Don`t see why you`re so passionately trying to fight this, whatever this is. I don`t automatically think that anyone who likes AKB is dirty and/or evil. I have grown to like 2 or 3 of their songs and will sing along with the in karaoke with friends.
soundczech 16th-Feb-2013 09:07 am (UTC)
they have lots of young female fans but they're not as likely to spend as much as the male fans, who are more typical "idol" fans
ararat010 16th-Feb-2013 12:13 pm (UTC)
Have you tried searching "AKB48 トレード品" or "AKB48 トレ品" on YouTube?
Lots of female fans, many of whom are bigger collectors than male fans (especially those of their same age).
Sometimes even I am amazed at the size of their photocard collection, considering how most of them don't even come cheap.
soundczech 16th-Feb-2013 12:19 pm (UTC)
I'm not saying they don't exist, but I think if you could get a census you'd find they're a lot less common than the male collectors. I talked to tons of teenage fans (I was an English instructor in Tokyo and about a third of my clients were teenagers) and the girls almost never had any collections beyond the CDs, DVDs and the occasional con goods. Teenage boys sometimes had photobooks (lol). Only one or two of the teenagers I spoke to bothered to go to the handshake events, and they were aspiring to be idols one day themselves.

Maybe like 75% of the people I asked across all age groups would say they 'love' AKB, but that doesn't mean they have the money or inclination to amass huge collections.
nova_usagi 21st-Feb-2013 06:10 pm (UTC)
Exactly. A lot of women and girls I know who claim to like the group don`t actually seem to buy much or any merchandise. Instead the rent CDs and copy them or watch them on TV.



delicious_pocky 17th-Feb-2013 03:06 am (UTC)
yes, most of AKB avid followers are males even though AKB stans will try to deny that for some reason
Yama Take 17th-Feb-2013 03:45 am (UTC)
I would never have guessed that. I assumed it was girl pop. Make sense thou, lonely guys with extra yen. Sounds like their more casual followers are diverse.

'bout all I know is the tall one w/ short hair is uniquely good looking. I'm not ready to have a "video dinner" with her though. Guess I'm not ready for that level of fake commitment...
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