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11:11 am - 03/07/2013

College Survey: Number of Members in Japanese Music Groups Proportional to Level of Sucking

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A chart surface on the Internet recently titled: 100 American College Music Majors Analyze Japanese Musical Talent and the Relationship with the Number of Members.


How exactly this information came together is unknown, but the name suggests that 100 American music students were surveyed about several Japanese music acts past and present. Those results were then plotted against the number of members in each band.


The results certainly do suggest that there is a correlation between the number of members in a music act and the perceived crappiness of said act. So lets examine this more deeply with some samples and a translated version of the chart above.


The chart is divided into three tiers; Respected Overseas, Could Sell Overseas, and Ridiculed Overseas. However, the results have been further classified into four distinct groups.



Plateau of Legends

This tier is made up of musical acts which mainly fall under the “genius” and “musician” labels. This plateau is also made up of solo acts or duets.


The highest ranking artist was Masashi Sada. After finding success with his partner in Grape, Sada broke out on his own and went on to continued success.




Yumi Matsutoya (Yuming) was another fixture of Japanese music spanning decades


Although newer to the scene, Ringo Sheena has also earned a high ranking among these other giants.



Of course it’s not just singers. Turntables and orchestras are also in the mix with OG (literally) DJ Krush, and Final Fantasy composer Nobuo Uematsu.




Cliff of Hope

This region is also full of highly valued artists but are made up of more people. Legendary visual rockers X Japan top this group.






I suppose the “hope” here is that a large number of musicians can work together and create quality music. However, watch your step, this next one’s a doozy!

The Tower of Terror

This region seems to a level of pop music purgatory where the lower echelons of solo artists and bands mingle with the finest of boy/girl bubblegum pop. Here we find hip-hop group Funky Monkey Babys. They were probably judged on their fluffy pop song, Arigatou.  Here they are getting a little more down with their bad selves.




And smack dab in the middle of the Tower are the icons of icons in J-Pop, the godfathers of making okay songs and promoting stuff – SMAPExile, despite their excessively large number of back-up dancers, still made out well in this range.  Another one of mega-producer Johnny’s boy bands, Arashi is dangerously dangling on the edge of sort-of glory and…


The Valley of Despair

Herein lies the alleged talentless pool of entertainers and pretty faces judged by the survey as simply dancers or cattle. AKB48 barely slips below the threshold with their massive ensemble.


Also in the valley are groups who venture into somewhat creepy areas with the (too?) young Sexy Zone and Morning Musume.




Apparently there’s a lot of room in the valley due to the number of groups holding 48 members. However, the worst of the worst was deemed by this survey to be Osaka’s answer to AKB48, NMB48.


Of course, at the end of the day, music is entirely subjective. Aside from a few exceptions, there also seems to be a glaring case of “older-is-better” with these evaluations.


We should also note that RocketNews24 doesn’t necessarily share these opinions regarding music. In fact I have a picture of Sexy Zone tattooed on my back… I got in prison… good times.




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LOL on some of these evaluations..here for Nobuo Uematsu tbh ♥
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coffeebang 7th-Mar-2013 04:39 am (UTC)
I love the classification of 'mass hysteria'.
crimsonbreeze 7th-Mar-2013 04:43 am (UTC)
100 American College Music Majors (that don't know much about music)

And not even butthurt to be honest, most of the groups I like are there. I just... Masashi Sada? Seriously? smh. Love the man but there are brighter songwriters. Kinda surprised to not see BOOWY or Tomoyasu Hotei taken into consideration.
katzsong 7th-Mar-2013 04:49 am (UTC)
Arashi shouldn't be dangling there. They are on a different set of world, kinda like an alternate universe, according to Ohno Satoshi :P

XDDDDD

okay, whatever, I'll just listen to the music that I like and analyze when I want to, if I ever want to. In the end, I'll pick the music that serves my need, irregardless of reviews or critics.
umbrellaphone 7th-Mar-2013 04:52 am (UTC)
LOL at idol industry all lumped in that corner. Well, objectively speaking, idol culture as a whole won't be well-received overseas, so. The graph makes it sound like performer/dancer is linear to being ridiculed overseas. Ah well, funny poll is funny.
thebambinoweeps 7th-Mar-2013 05:06 am (UTC)
awwww yeah mongol800!!!
futaba01 7th-Mar-2013 05:13 am (UTC)
Looks like I'm a flop, I have never heard of Masashi Sada, Yuming and Ringo Sheena. But this chart is flopping as well since I don't see Kinki Kids (but it's probably because they are not that popular overseas). I think Ayu and Namie should be a little higher. I mostly agree with the others, except Tokio should be higher than Smap.
saiyanwizard 7th-Mar-2013 07:40 am (UTC)
Me too...I have no idea who Sada Masashi or Yuming are. But I do know Shiina Ringo. She sang the theme song for Matsumoto Jun's drama, "Smile," for one. KinKi should be there, though. I heard about them even before I found out about Johnny's.
shining_lore 7th-Mar-2013 05:13 am (UTC)
Aside from queen Namie being a little low, it looks pretty accurate to me.
xanithofdragons 7th-Mar-2013 05:22 am (UTC)
Pffft, so blatantly fake. Probably just made by 1 bored, pressed fan of Japanese media.
liniang 7th-Mar-2013 05:30 am (UTC)
LOL No.
queencrystallia 7th-Mar-2013 05:36 am (UTC)
100 students who dun really know j-pop? lol
okay students >.>
w/e
my sister is a musical genius and she appreciates the music i listen to as well so poop on the 100 lol xD
atelierlune 7th-Mar-2013 05:40 am (UTC)
This all seems designed to start fights.
dramajewels 7th-Mar-2013 05:44 am (UTC)
Anyone can make a chart saying 100 something or another to express an opinion. These kinds of things don't matter since the artists aren't themselves looking for overseas validation. A few may have those aspirations but others don't care. Also 100 is not considered a valid survey size considering they give no further information on how they are chosen other than major. At least this kept me busy when waiting for water to turn into ice.
urubaby21 7th-Mar-2013 04:40 pm (UTC)
Nice comment. Two thumbs up.
cnidaria_jin 7th-Mar-2013 05:48 am (UTC)

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edkofarah 7th-Mar-2013 05:57 am (UTC)
sorry but seeing golden bomber in the 'respected oversea' category just cracked me up...
narqissa 7th-Mar-2013 08:19 am (UTC)
same here...
hanakimmie 7th-Mar-2013 06:03 am (UTC)
This chart doesn't makes sense-Dir en Grey is under group & not band, & why is perfume & Funky Monkey Babies between solo & band instead of in group? Also Golden Bombers are performers NOT musicians. I'm I reading this wrong OR SOMETHING?

And why is J soul brothers so low? AKB & them are almost on the same level talent wise??? I think this had more to do with who they actually even knew. They couldn't truly gauge the talent of those they barely heard of. Also as much as I love Utada I don't know why shes miles above Namie. And perfume on the same level?? Doubtful...
kashiwashipashi 7th-Mar-2013 01:21 pm (UTC)
They probably put Utada a lot higher than Namie because she writes her own music, thus falling into the "musician" category instead of "performer".
mitchy_fleur 7th-Mar-2013 06:04 am (UTC)
News being too low in here :|
ueda_suki 7th-Mar-2013 09:37 am (UTC)
IKR! totally agreeing with you on this one.
love323able 7th-Mar-2013 06:16 am (UTC)
Lol i bet it was a bored person

tho if a foreign would do this kind of survey.some of those group/artist would land on that category XD
sakana93 7th-Mar-2013 06:16 am (UTC)
I can't stand seeing my Gods Misuchiru being categorized the same as Golden bomber tbh
tsukikei 7th-Mar-2013 06:18 am (UTC)
I like the chart idea. Looks fun. Kinda want to do one of my own...
kochan_addict 7th-Mar-2013 06:50 am (UTC)
I can't take this chart seriously with Golden Bomber up there.
I love those nutcases but putting them up there with X-Japan, GACKT, B'z, Mr Children and the like is like putting a salty peanut in my caramelized almonds - I don't dislike it, but it just doesn't fit.

I smell a troll.
myharu 7th-Mar-2013 06:57 am (UTC)


I really like this gif for obvious reasons
nanu00 7th-Mar-2013 11:32 am (UTC)
+1!! I love that gift!!!
duane_chan 7th-Mar-2013 07:03 am (UTC)
dumb students..i pity them..
nova_usagi 7th-Mar-2013 08:33 am (UTC)
Why were exactly 100 music students surveyed? For a survey that's small. If they were US music students, why would they even know all of these Japanese music groups and artists? Seems like a fake graph made by someone (or some people) who wanted to piss off fans of AKB, Arashi, etc.

Groups like AKB aren`t meant to have good or talented members. AKB members are supposed to be more average, and thus seem more obtainable. They sing and preform together, with the help of various people (and computer technology) so it`s okay. The idea is that over time they will improve enough so that when they do "graduate" they aren't just leaving the group but graduating on to something better because they have gained the skill/talented needed to move on up. Or at least, they are supposed to go onto something bigger.

Note: In English you may say "moved up to" or "upgrading to" or "leveled up to" or "moved onto a better" something/somewhere else but in Japanese people tend to say "graduated."

I guess some fall into AV? But moving onto AV after being in a nationally recognized music group or something is actually a downgrade. And a lot of people in AV can`t graduate out of that into something better. Not just my opinion, but been openly voiced by TV talents and other stars on shows.
urubaby21 7th-Mar-2013 04:44 pm (UTC)
A+ comment
itskimbitches 7th-Mar-2013 08:58 am (UTC)
All my faves are on top so I'm content
urubaby21 7th-Mar-2013 04:43 pm (UTC)
lol, right. That's all that matters.
mizumi10 7th-Mar-2013 09:00 am (UTC)
on what basis is this analysis even based on? i get the feeling that it's based on an american standard on what's good music; if so then it's simply looks like a poll based on cultural difference and preferences to me. this is why i don't like the cultural competence of some americans sometimes. In this case, they don't understand the structure of the Japanese music industry and how it's different branches and beliefs on why idols exist and such.

it makes me wonder if these 100 students actually listen to japanese music or are first time listeners. my take is that most of them are probably first time listeners. there's a big difference from one who is a first time listener and one who has listened for a while.

anyways, no credible name connected to this poll means no credibility that this poll can be of any use in anything.

Edited at 2013-03-07 09:05 am (UTC)
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