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Swastikaii? Nazi Chic?

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stinabong 13th-Nov-2009 05:29 am (UTC)
i don't think it's appropriate at all and you do bring a good point on what if jewish people made fashion inspired by the atomic bombings. i doubt japan would be happy about it. fashion trend is not an excuse -- hitler and the events of ww2 shouldn't be glamorized in my opinion.

however...that plushie is cute ._.
jetsinthesky OT13th-Nov-2009 07:12 am (UTC)
i see you team russia.

i love finding random footie fans in non-footie fandom.

raye91star Messed up...13th-Nov-2009 05:36 am (UTC)
thats so terrible stuff right there.
neurotic_rat 13th-Nov-2009 05:44 am (UTC)
Honestly, I'm reading all these comments, and it seems that you guys forgot that...
Being Japanese myself, I am really not that surprised by how Japan is doing this and their lack of information and sensitivity concerning the Holocaust and what Hitler did. Unless there are university classes that over European history over there, it's the same education system that took out the information on the Nanking Massacre in history textbooks. Then again, other parts of the country and the US are not any better about this either...
you_speak_lies 13th-Nov-2009 05:56 am (UTC)
Every country likes to gloss over the bad things they've done, so it's not surprising in that regard. Un-ironic, adorable Hitler plushies are still kind of shocking, though, and make me wonder if I have any cute little trinkets that would horrify someone from another culture.
leap4detonation 13th-Nov-2009 05:50 am (UTC)
I'm not surprised, since as neurotic_rat said, they were allie with Germany during that time. It's no excuse for the fashion trend and the fact that it seems a lot of these kids don't know the symbolism of what they're wearing though. :/

As much as I don't support what went on in WWII, I do think Hitler was a great speaker, and he did actually do some good things... Though they don't out-weigh the bad. The U.S. military wouldn't have modern weaponry if it wasn't for guns they took from Germany during WWII, and we also wouldn't have our highways if it wasn't for Hitler and the Autobahn. Just thought I'd throw that out there, since someone asked what good he did on the first page...

And one of my friends actually has a Hitler doll just like that; she bought it from someone on etsy. :x
door_door 13th-Nov-2009 05:55 am (UTC)
"I wonder what the reaction would be if the Jewish made clothes inspired by the Hiroshima bombing."

The young Japanese people probably won't care. Young people over here don't care for politics, history or any of these sorts of things whether it's about Japan or any other country.

door_door 13th-Nov-2009 06:11 am (UTC)
A note, I live in Japan and have NEVER seen anyone wear Nazi-inspired clothes. And I frequent Harajuku quite often.

And another note, the swastika symbols is found all over temples in Asia as it's originally a Hindu and Buddhism religious symbol that stand for good fortune, luck and well being.
domyouji_love 13th-Nov-2009 06:10 am (UTC)
What next? A Stalin fashion trend? Hussein? Bin Laden?

Let's give all insane people who commit genocide their own line of fashion products. Because mocking people's deaths are really fashionable nowadays.
irmakaneli 14th-Nov-2009 12:07 am (UTC)
so it seems -__-
chibi_rei 13th-Nov-2009 06:20 am (UTC)
ngl the shirt made me snicker and I'm of Polish descent.

Still I think there is some sort of.. hmm irresponsibility here? Idk I don't know what they do or don't teach kids over there. I remember there was a sort of mini scandal with some H!P girls drawing Hitler during Pictionary, so I just think they don't teach it the same way cuz kids seem sort of clueless.

But really I don't think this is cool :\

Edited at 2009-11-13 06:21 am (UTC)
onerainysunday 13th-Nov-2009 06:30 am (UTC)
japanese people being ignorant? WOW I AM SO SHOCKED.
xanderave 13th-Nov-2009 06:35 am (UTC)
If we are going to talk about history, the Japanese were not really saints either for the countries they took over.

Unfortunately, the history that is taught to the youngsters there will not cover such events because it does not portray Japan in the good light.

melizah 13th-Nov-2009 06:39 am (UTC)
After seeing a lot of documentaries of all the horrible things that happened and even getting the chance to see a person talk about his surviving from the camps makes this seem wrong :/.
It's not like everyone is educated the same way so it's not surprising that something like this happens, but I wish that people would look into the subject more if they don't know what it's about. This is not cool.
oncloud999 13th-Nov-2009 06:44 am (UTC)
that's not cool, japan.
strawberryparty 13th-Nov-2009 07:05 am (UTC)
I assume that Mr. Shinsuke Takizawa & Mr. Tetsu Nishiyama have had a proper education and know what WW2 was all about and how horrible and terrifying the things were that happened during that time.

Uhhh, probably not so much. Japanese textbooks basically don't address World War II, except for "there was a war and some people died, but don't worry about it". When I was abroad, so many Japanese college students asked me about WWII, because they had been taught essentially nothing about it, besides that it happened and Japan lost (hence, they do not talk about it).

Japan also sees the whole swastika thing (and probably Nazism by extension) differently than in the West, due to the fact that the swastika is an ancient Buddhist symbol. When you look at maps in Japan, Buddhist temples are marked with swastikas. It's normal.

(But this whole thing is really tasteless, just let me say.)
_kataomoi_ 13th-Nov-2009 07:41 am (UTC)
Swastikas were also in Navajo religions as well, but the Buddhist swastika is reversed pointing in Nazi use, much like Satanists use the upside down cross.

So, not only is it a big middle finger to Europe and the US, it's also a big middle finger to one of the major religions in Japan, too...

evilcoc0nut 13th-Nov-2009 07:16 am (UTC)
jetsinthesky 13th-Nov-2009 07:17 am (UTC)

with that said...
*sigh* Japan, why are you idolizing Nazi. They would have tortured/killed you too because you are not blonde/blue eyed.
Get it together Japan.

Also, growing up in Japan, I have to say we learned very little about the Holocaust and all the horrible things Japan was involved in. Slightly mentioned but not really.
As some of you already mentioned, young people of Japan cannot be bothered with history like this, and therefor doesn't get the implication their actions/choices might have on the rest of the world.
Sad, really.
_kataomoi_ 13th-Nov-2009 07:33 am (UTC)
I agree with everything the post, and OP, has to say. OMG, you don't how much I am pointing at the screen with a D: face going "THIS. THISTHISTHIS. WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PPL?!"

I have a bad feeling it's more along the lines of how we (US) talk about how we slaughtered and decimated the Native Americans that were here and Thanksgiving is how we mooched off the system already in place because they felt sorry for European pilgrims and thanked them with exposure to illness and guns. We know it's true and most know it happened, but most society forgets it and exchanges this knowledge with over indulgence and forced family fraternizing.

Those other pictures on the buttons... do want if someone else sold them, and thus my money wouldn't be feeding/propogating ignorance by making it all CUTESHINEYHAPPYTIME.
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