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Swastikaii? Nazi Chic?

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din_84 13th-Nov-2009 04:52 pm (UTC)
I'm like totally late for the discussion but, let me say this:

I'm a German living in Japan and sometimes I want to hit them over the head for the stupid comments they make.
Not only have I been addressed with weird "Germany and Japans are good friends u know back in the days" when taxi drivers found out I'm from Germany but the youth of both countries have had a totally different education when it comes to WW2.

In Japan it IS a subject that is and hasn't been much talked about in schools, there has not been rehabilitation process at all while in Germany we basically hear about nothing else.
WW2 is covered in Politics, History and German class until you feel so ashamed of your country that you want to crawl into a hole and pretend to be from the Netherlands when on holiday (it's not that bad nowadays since enough time has passed but I remember very well being thrown at with stones by british kids).
My Japanese teachers agree on this, the problem is that most Japanese schoolars learn about WW2 in their last year after lenghy discussing the time between 1000 and 1900 in the past years sometimes they run out of time and they don't even touch the subject at all in school.

When someone mentions the horrible crimes Japanese soldiers commited in Korea and Manchuria you often only get silence or "Did that really happen?!".


This merchandise would be would be half as offending if you one didn't know that the majority of Japanese are really ignorant when it comes to this topic and that is just plain sad.
silkysullivan 13th-Nov-2009 06:49 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I have to say, this is what happens when you sweep the embarrassing aspects of history under a rug. Kids grow up being completely ignorant to the point where they think that wearing cute Hitler t-shirts or cute Nazi jewelry is okay. This would never happen in Germany.
provocateurx 13th-Nov-2009 06:17 pm (UTC)
this is absurd
rebecka_jo 13th-Nov-2009 07:56 pm (UTC)
this is mostly very not fucking cute at all, because japan has yet to aplogise for many of their horrific crimes for WWII.

until you own up, japan, you can't make snarky-hip hitler jokes with the rest of the cool kids.

kirakira_kirimi 13th-Nov-2009 09:31 pm (UTC)
Okay, that's wrong. But it's forgivable - I mean, us Americans hail Columbus all the time as this great explorer, and we forget he whiped out more or less the entire Native American population of Haiti. Do we teach that in schools? Nooo.
din_84 13th-Nov-2009 09:51 pm (UTC)
Does the fact that you do the same thing make this forgiveable?


Also please thinka about the fact that this in comparison to Columbus is still "recent history"
irmakaneli 13th-Nov-2009 11:48 pm (UTC)
THIS IS JUST WTF!!!!!!!! I AM SO ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's all start wearing ''N-word'' shirts and Ching Chong/chink hats and the-holocaust-never-happened PINS!!!!!

If I see those plushies I WILL BURN THEM TO THE GROUND, and I swear fashion or not if I see anyone wearing those pins
cicadagray 14th-Nov-2009 12:26 am (UTC)
I was teaching in Japan when the movie "Pear Harbour" came out. So I would ask my students about it. The vast majority of them had no idea it was a real event.

And they go to Hawaii all the time on vacation.
Mind you, I've seen them giggling and taking "funny" pictures at the memorial too..because they have no understanding.

I'm Canadian. I'm half-German by heritage and I find this "fashion" reprehensible.
atarashiiyoake 14th-Nov-2009 09:09 am (UTC)
This is so uncool I can't even find the words for it.

And education on the Hitler-topic is slightly behind in Japan, you can't deny that. Doesn't anyone remember C-ute describing about 'Uncle Hitler' with his charisma and his great speeching skills?
cutephail 15th-Nov-2009 01:52 am (UTC)
I don't care how cute it is. It's disgusting.
stole_away 15th-Nov-2009 03:15 pm (UTC)
hmm the younger generation should be properly educated about the history ;/
tothe_slaughter 15th-Nov-2009 06:24 pm (UTC)


Apparently, they are still a little bit mad about that whole "outcome of WWII" thing.

Maybe we should try giving them their constitution back.
yuaelt 16th-Nov-2009 04:02 pm (UTC)
japan is known for flattening themes and selling about everything, but this is going a bit overboard. We all laugh at Hetalia (well, dunno about other countries, but in Poland we love it, ridiculous Poorando-kun included), but there's a limit. I wouldn't wear a t-shirt making fun of Hiroshima and I'd rather not see Asian teenagers making fun of how my family died, period.

What makes me really wonder about this fashion though, are other Asian countries supposedly taking part. year to year they make a big fuss about japanese history books and Yasukuni Jinja, but Hitler is ok?

yuaelt 16th-Nov-2009 04:31 pm (UTC)
Columbus was neither the only nor the biggest killer involved in 'wiping out entire civilization'. Do you have toys with Cortez or Pizarro? Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know Columbus is mainly being remembered positively for his contribution to geography, nobody cherishes his killing activities, do they? But that's what is happening here, they're making toys and clothes that make a fest out of murdering, and the man who started a world war precisely in order to wipe out 'worse' kind of humans. it's a big, big difference.

You're right of course, that no one should be hated for their ignorance. And they are not, we all come to this page because we love Japan. But does it mean we should just shrug the whole thing off? Even if just to inspire a talk with our Japanese penpals, I think this article makes a good point.

(if you meant those who commented they would beat up anyone wearing a t-shirt like that, let's hope they were just emotional ;) )
booksandsarcasm 1st-Jan-2010 07:53 pm (UTC)
If you mean Columbus, actually, in High school I learned several times about the atrocities he commited and we even had a mock trial t determine whether or not we would find him guilty and we did. In 1st grade and etc, I did not but I think that had a lot to do with an age wise standpoint
giddytron 19th-Nov-2009 09:14 pm (UTC)
I've seen that shirt loads of times. Ah, ignorance.
mrjl_writer 19th-Aug-2010 03:28 am (UTC)
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<lj-user="buyme_arashi"> hit the nail on the head. Japan doesn't have the emotional attachment Europeans (and by extension North Americans) have. Does that excuse glorifying Hitler? No it doesn't and I don't care what kind of excuse they want to give. It's not cute, it's not fashion, it's not edgy. It's stupid and insensitive. I agree with whoever said that Japan would make a huge stink if someone glorified Hiroshima, and rightly so.

The whole world's connected, and not only having this stuff but glorifying it shows a gross lack of empathy. I'm disappointed.
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