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10:57 am - 09/09/2012

Koki's Nazi uniform causes controversy

Tanaka Koki, member of the popular Johnny's idol group, KAT-TUN, has been stirring up some controvery recently as his new PV "Black or White" was leaked on to the internet. So what's the big deal? Some netizens are upset that Koki is dressed in full, Nazi uniform. The full PV can be viewed here.

To be specific, Koki sports the notorious SS black uniform, which was used from 1932 to 1934 in Nazi Germany. The SS uniform was worn specifically by people who worked in concentration camps and closest to the Third Reich. The PV features him dancing in the Nazi garb, while switching between scenes of him being experimented on. The SS was also notorious for conducting horrendous "medical experiments" on many Jews in concentration camps.

Koki's uniform shows off several Nazi era paraphernalia, including:

The Third Reich Eagle Emblem 

The Third Reich government adopted the eagle as a national symbol (Hoheitszeichen), in common with previous German governments and several other European countries. Originally, the design was to show the eagle's head facing to its right when used as a national symbol, and to its left when used as a Nazi Party symbol, but this convention was not always followed. The eagle's claws were to grasp a wreath of oak leaves surrounding a swastika.

The Iron Cross

The Iron Cross was used as the symbol of the German Army from 1871 to March/April 1918, when it was replaced by a simpler Greek cross. In 1956, the Iron Cross resumed its German military usage, as it became the symbol of the Bundeswehr, the modern German armed forces. 

However, the Nazi swastika band cannot be seen on his arm. 

Many netizens have voiced their concerns over the PV, including:

"That PV is disgusting, not only the SS uniform but also the experiment bits...Japanese groups have been called out for this shit before, he must've known. This is a disgusting grab for attention and it will work,"

"lol i don't get why you are all reacting so badly. okay well i do, but it's been done before and it shouldn't be a huge deal anymore. vk bands have dressed up with the actual nazi-swastika attached to their costume. for years and years and years."

It is widely known that the Japanese were allied with Germany during World War 2. However, many Japanese are still uneducated on the full extent of the atrocities done by the Axis Powers during the war.

Sources: 1, 2
yuuki_saya 9th-Sep-2012 06:56 pm (UTC)
With all my respect, but sometimes I can't stop thinking, that after all those years it should be easier to accept those things. In my place, Poland, you can't say anything not gravely serious about Holocaust. It's tragic, we should learn from it, but the hell Jewish weren't the only one suffering. I can say that here it was the worst - Nazis, Soviets, one after another. But all nations were suffering.

And this PV doesn;t bother me at all, because it give positive message - that good side of humanity, even being destroyed, can win with evil.

People, just get over it.
eskarina77 9th-Sep-2012 07:13 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't ask people to get over history...
But as you said, this PV depicts good vs bad...and good obviously wins over bad.

and i agree with you: everyone suffered from WW and Nazis
yuuki_saya 9th-Sep-2012 07:20 pm (UTC)
But what if I told you that Nazis weren't the worst, only they were judged harshly because they lost? What if I told you, that there was bigger and much worst army, primitive and destructive, but it won and after 60 years we still don't know to what extend bestiality too over them. Only some stories told by grandparents, teary eyes of women trying to forget. Nazis were nice comparing to it.
eskarina77 9th-Sep-2012 07:29 pm (UTC)
As you say, I don't know everything about history in every countries.
And all I know is what I learned through history class when I was younger, and through garnd-parents stories (who didn't tell much about that time...)

IMO, what's most important about history is 'Do not forget so you can prevent bad things to happen again'
seelenlicht 9th-Sep-2012 07:57 pm (UTC)
I'm really curious...which historical event are you talking about?
yuuki_saya 9th-Sep-2012 08:06 pm (UTC)
Soviet army taking countries, which later became parts of Soviet Union or under strict influence of Moscow. Horrible. And imagine that in my country it was forbidden to talk about mass murder of officers just because that was the order. Only now we can learn the truth... Or part of it :/ And that's just one example.
hpswf1 9th-Sep-2012 08:15 pm (UTC)
Oh c'mon, if Nazis was good somehow for Poland's people it's not like they was good to all, as well as if some Soviet's soldiers was bad and evil it's mean that all soviet soldiers was bad as well as whole country. There is plenty of stories what Nazis did in USSR as well I'm sure there was stories what Poland's soldiers did in past wars with Russia.
fulllove 9th-Sep-2012 08:16 pm (UTC)
I understand what you mean, but I think it's not right to compare the suffering.

Yes, Jewish were not the only one suffering, many people suffer all around the world and some since many years,so I think it's not right to think this atrocity is worst than this...ATROCITIES are all hard for the victims.
yuuki_saya 9th-Sep-2012 08:31 pm (UTC)
But you can't monopolize the trauma after that war. It was a total and world war! Everyone suffered! Even Germans. It's like Jewish are saying "we're the victims, we say what's offending and you have to burn everything that's offending". Sorry, but sometimes it looks like this.

And back to the main subject - I don't find this uniform offending (and I should be, really, considering my family too). It's even better choice because it's beaten in the end by good white Koki. That's why I think people are plainly stupid and not educated as they don't see that.

My faith in humanity decreased rapidly.
fulllove 9th-Sep-2012 09:06 pm (UTC)
I heard this many time:"But you can't monopolize the trauma after that war. It was a total and world war! Everyone suffered! Even Germans. It's like Jewish are saying "we're the victims, we say what's offending and you have to burn everything that's offending"." And this too:"When it comes to Jewish, it's all over the media and something must be done or...", But again the fact that Jewish talk a lot about the Holocaust did not forbid the other to talk about their suffering.

Like I said, I understand what you mean. I'm mixed (my father is a Jewish Deutsch and my mother is a Catholic Caribbean and her ancestors had suffered from slavery)so I know that Jewish are not the only one who suffered and that there are others people suffering around the world.

For me, It's just a PV even if the choice of the costume is not the best in my opinion,but I respect the fact that people related with this tragic past (not only Jewish)have the right to be offended.

cherrycoloured 9th-Sep-2012 09:03 pm (UTC)
Fuck you for telling me to get over it. When did I claim that only Jewish people were effected by Nazis or that only Nazis are bad? Of course the Soviet Union was just as evil, I am aware of history. As well, in another comment, I did bring up that gay people, Romani, and disabled people were targets of the Nazis as well.

I understand that was the video's message, however, using Nazi imagery for it was extremely tasteless.

I respect your right to not be offended by this. Please respect my right to be offended by this.
redwinter42 10th-Sep-2012 12:49 am (UTC)
i just want to say i have read all your comments and you have my complete respect. as a fan of Tanaka Koki i am afraid that it has clouded my ability to be offended, as i think it has for many fans, and sadly they cant seem to understand that, even though the events happen in the past the pain inflicted by the events still hurt and continue to reverberate into the present and depiction of certain images and symbols outside of historical reenactment is a offensive.

Oh and too every one calming "oh i am sure he didn't know what he was doing" That is a bunch of B.S!! I love Tanaka Koki so much so that it makes me very mad that people want to assume he is ignorant and stupid. What!, you don't think he has ever pick up a book or learned world history! or even worse you think because he is Japanese that he lacks common world knowledge, what kind of crap is that! I hate to burst your Fan-girl bubble but he is a complete stranger and we have no idea what he was thinking when the concept for the video was presented nor when the stylist brought out the uniform. I understand that as fans we feel that we have some sort of connection and insight on the stars we love, so assumption will be made regardless, but please do me and other fans a favor don't make our bias look like an asshat.
hisjulliet 10th-Sep-2012 05:48 am (UTC)
I agree with your comment completely.
sashwizzled 15th-Sep-2012 03:20 pm (UTC)
Oh my God, I'm six days late in on this, but this whole thread. I cannot. I am sorry you have to deal with this shit.
hisjulliet 10th-Sep-2012 06:30 am (UTC)
"People, just get over it."

Way to harness sympathy towards your fellow human beings. If actual victims of Nazi Germany read this right now, how would you feel?

There are family members of war victims here, in this thread, telling you that this pv offended them. You have no right to dictate how these people feel about this issue. Just because you don't feel offended by this doesn't mean other people can't be. You have every right to not feel offended by this, but please, do not believe your opinion is going to be shared with everybody else here.

This is exactly why history repeats itself. By people like you who believe that something will go away if you ignore it long enough. But this mindset is completely wrong. People need to continue to bring this up so history won't repeat itself. And this article is doing just that. Let people in this thread talk about why they find this offense and at least try to understand where they are coming from.
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