Arama They Didn't

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Me neither, some Johnny's rules are sucks =.= A.B.C.-Z has to wait for a long time to debut and they deserve to get more attention, it's so unfair if Johnny just promote for hot guys only, A.B.C.-Z is very friendly

The anniversary of their kouhai are great, i guess they are still new in debut so anniversary could be a little too much. I just feel like unfair because they have to wait for so long but their debut is so poor, in contrast Kisumai late debut but great promotion and get many attention, i feel like people forget A.B.C.-Z :"( Johnny seems to give them debut to feel not pity for them i guess, everything is so poor compare to other's group, i didn't mean they are not hot, it's just the fact that Johnny put too much on hot guys like Yamapi and give nothing to A.B.C.-Z make me feel akward. They are very hard-working and persevere, no one could stay strong like them so don't worry, they could famous because they have precious qualities that no one has

Really? O_O Wasn't TakkiTsuba's anniversary event huge? I love these two and want them to have a proper 10th year anniversary. (At least we'll get an album with concert digest *waiting-for-my-copy-to-arrive* :D

But I'm glad for Kanjani8's to get some attention - they have been neglected for years after their debut (when I read old interviews or interviews from today when they talk about the past and how hard it was, it really makes me feel like angry) Somehow I feel like A.B.C.-Z is quite similar to them... I want them to have a proper debut! Singe releases, a concert dvd etc. (The DVD they released in July - ABC Za Star Gekijo - what exactly is that? Musical or concert?)
When they debuted I was actually more interested in Kisumai, but the 3/4 thing irks me and I honestly enjoy A.B.C.-Z's dynamic and songs more.

Do you think TakkiTsuba would have it easier now (popularity-wise) if they hadn't have their 3-year 'hiatus'? (Sorry, lacking of a better word here, but during 2008-2010 they hardly did anything as a group, only solo) They are one of my favs from Je, so I want to see them do well.

I honestly am very happy about the attention Kanjani (finally!) gets now. They didn't even have a manager till 2007. They got scolded when their 47 tour DVD sold better than Arashi's tour DVD in 2007 and 'strangely' they didn't get to release their next tour. Within all the groups in their age-range - News, Arashi and Kat-tun - they got the least promotion and were totally ignored. As a fan it made me so mad. They really worked their butt off on their own. I'm glad that they now finally made it.
So, I'm positive for A.B.C.-Z - fans can become very dedicated when a group doesn't get good promotion. Plus they seem to get along very well - which is always a good thing. It makes them likeable as a group <3 I'll definitely be following them.

Why does it always have to be some sort of competition about who had it worst/best/gets promoted too much/deserves it more/etc?

The problem with this is: Kanjani didn't only get left out before debut, but also after. It was they themselves who worked their butts off, just like Arashi. I mean, they didn't even have a manager till 2007, they weren't allowed to release their concert DVD 2008 (apparently because they beat Arashi with the sales 2007), they got the cheapest PVs ever, they didn't have a proper debut etc.

A lot of fans from the other group only see Kanjani how they are now, not how they were until 2-3 years ago - THIS is what annoys me! Yes, Kanjani had a dvd release almost every year, but for Spirit for example, they begged the managment to let them release it. 2008 they didn't release a DVD.

There is not that much difference between Arashi and Kanjani - but even Arashi had a better debut, though neglected afterwards ><

I don't understand why fans can't accept this fact, both about Kanjani and Arashi. I like so many groups and I would never bash Arashi for their popularity. I know that they were having it rough - 6 years ago...who was Arashi?

For years, News (though they later struggled a lot ><) and Kat-tun were the only groups who got all the attention. Only from 2007/08 when Kanjani started to get more popular, they finally got some promotion.

You are saying that Kanjani fans are over the top with this and that they are seeing it wrong and that it wasn't that bad --> but that's not true, they are right. It was bad. It's not like the fans are making up something. This is how it was and they have every right to be happy now.

As for News, I never understood what's going on with them. They had lots of promotion till 2008/09. Then suddenly it got less. I wonder if Pi leaving the band was already discussed at this point, because for me it seems like something that was planned for a long time. And don't forget Tegomass and Ryo. News originally was supposed to be a temporary group, with the members doing other things. I guess no one thought they would become that popular. I was mad too when they were on this unofficial hiatus 2009/10. But don't forget the kickass comeback they got now. What kind of comeback did Kat-tun get? By far nothing that big (and I'm not even in Kat-tun fandom, but in comparison to News they were kinda left out)

What I'm saying, yes, true management tends to concentrate on the most popular groups and neglect others meanwhile.
But Kanjani was one of the groups that had it a lot tougher at the beginning, similar to Smap for example, or Arashi. - I don't understand why people can't accept that. It's not a lie fans made up. And I hope that A.B.C.-Z doesn't need to go that road, because it's definitely the more difficult road


But this is not a who-had-it-the-worst-competition. My previous comment was to chibi-hime, who was somewhat upset with Kanjani's popularity and didn't see that they were coming a loooooooooooong way.
The reason I didn't mention any other group was that our talk was about A.B.C.-Z, Kisumai, TakkiTsuba (finally back!) and Kanjani.


Talking about Kisumai, I think they are the only group who had been treated well before and after their debut. However, their 3/4 concept they have now annoys me to no end. And I wonder how long fans will bear with it.

I can't say anything about Sexy Zone, because I don't know them.

Yes, I get what you are saying.But this comment from me was towards chibi-hime, because she said that she doesn't like the attention Kanjani gets - that's why I wrote the comment and said that they came a long way and worked so hard. Besides I didn't insult her or the groups she liked and I didn't wrote a whole essay about it (I didn't want to get on her nerves, because you can't force someone into a certain fandom), so I don't quite understand why I came off as a fan who misjudges all the other groups and don't respects them!?)

I never wanted to say that other groups got everything shoved up their butts. Of course it's not that simple. I only wanted to say that for years Kanjani was neglected in comparison to the other groups in their age. This doesn't mean that KT doesn't have it difficult now. Or that Arashi didn't have it bad after their debut! I just meant that in that time when Kanjani debuted, they hardly got promoted in comparison to the others.

I have to admit that I left News fandom this year, because I got seriously upset with the fans and fandom. I just couldn't bear it anymore, hence I left. It was a difficult decision because News was the first JE and Jpop group I followed, so they will always have a special place for me. But for now, I left fandom. (and no, I'm not a die-hard Yamapi-fan either^^)

However, News did have a proper comeback - unlike KT, after Jin left, their comeback wasn't all that great, right? A lot of KT-fans seem to be upset now. I'm not really in KT fandom, so I don't know any details. I've only followed them around 2009/10.
As I said, I was never really in KT-fandom. I can only guess that it had to be quite hard for the fans when suddenly, after all these years where they were promotoed a lot, all the promotions got less. For the fandom this can't be really easy. ><

I think News only went to smaller arenas now because their last single was not really an indication of how much they will sell in the future and how big their fandom really is. I mean, it sold great, didn't it? But it was a comeback single, in 6 (!) versions. Many fans bought all versions, also there were most likey quite some sympathy-buyers. I think only when the 3rd or 4th single gets released, we can say how well they'll sell in the future.

By the way, actually I think TakkiTsuba get quite a lot of promotion. All the stage plays, solo projects, releases etc. Just that - sadly, because I love them - they aren't that popular anymore - I guess, because of their 3-year-hiatus (><)

You said it yourself that you are not in Kanjani fandom, so why don't you believe me when I say that they indeed came a long way? While I never said that others had it oh-so-easy. (I re-read my comment and see how it can be mis-read. But this was only because I answered a certain point in another comment)

As for me I'm in Kanjani, Arashi, Smap, TakkiTsuba, TOKIO and Koichi fandom. I would follow Kisumai, but their 3/4 thing annoys me. I still don't know much about A.B.C.-Z, but I'm planning to learn more about them. They really are an underrated group. Most of the time it's these groups that learn to grow close and support each other and think a lot about their music and how to reach the fans. It's the same reason why I love Arashi and Kanjani.

Kanjani fans know that not everyone had it totally easy, but please, let their fans be happy and hyper now, since they have waited a long time for them to shine. You said it yourself that you are in Arashi fandom, so, can't you kind of accept their happiness for now? Since it was quite similar to what Arashi went through.
I have no problem with people saying they are not in their fandom but I don't like it when fans are being jealous towards them now - it's not like they got it so easy during the last years - that's why I defended Kanjani in this thread. (And that's why, I guess, whited defended them too) You are annoyed by some comments that praise Kanjani - I personally get annoyed when I read those who say they don't deserve it (NOT saying that chibi-hime did that!! Just a general statement) I seriously don't even know what and why we are discussing this. To be honest, I was actually quite surprised when I got your first comment.

Edited at 2012-09-19 04:16 pm (UTC)

PS: Since you are a A.B.C.-Z fan, could you tell me:
What exactly is their ABC Za Star Gekijo release? Musical or concert? (My Japanese is definitely not good enough for a musical ><)

And another thing: I dislike hate - and I'm trying to stay away from envy. For example: There was a time when I thought that Arashi didn't deserve their popularity etc. But envy is an ugly thing and I don't like it. I started looking into Arashi more then and into their history and their dramas and music and became a fan.

I'm just saying that to underline that I'm not only in one single fandom and hate all others. In fact, I like a lot of groups - even if I'm not in the fandom of some groups, I'm still following some of their releases or activities. In KT I love Kame for example and I have a soft spot for Koki.

I understand that you are upset when you read comments about how Kanjani had it the worst, when others also had it bad - especially when you are not in the fandom. But the fans are simply really proud, relieved and happy now that they finally are doing well.
Isn't it actually the same with News fans? Aren't they saying and doing the same? It's just normal that fans get excited and happy then.

I personally would love to see A.B.C.-Z get more promotion and a proper single release, because I like their music and their dynamics.


(Edit: sorry for the many edits, but I'm tired and made quite some spelling mistakes ><)

Edited at 2012-09-19 04:09 pm (UTC)

I'm sorry if K8 now have all the attention they've been lacking for years. I'm sorry if they now have all the budget even though their PVs were nothing but shit. I'm sorry if you think they need to back down on K8 even though 3 of the members are already 30 years old and no longer have the time advantage in their hands and it's now or never for them. And I'm sorry if you think it's all the jimusho's work for pushing K8 that much, since the jimusho in truth always ignore K8 until they start selling well. And I'm sorry if all the works done are actually by their record label (and K8 themselves for shamelessly promoting their own group in their radio shows) and not the jimusho, who're only 'there' when they sell well and couldn't care shit about them when they're nobodies.

As their fan, I'm really sorry.