Arama They Didn't

8:32 am - 09/13/2012

A.B.C.-Z "Zutto Love" PV

2nd DVD out Sept 12

credits here

Awwww..They have nicely made PVs, I hope they switch to a single release next time
rorychan 13th-Sep-2012 01:08 am (UTC)
So far, their PV's are really amazing!
What I wouldn't give for them to release singles.

And, those lucky fans.
crimsonbreeze 13th-Sep-2012 02:01 am (UTC)
My kingdom to have Fumikyun as my personal butler.
chibi_hime 13th-Sep-2012 02:31 am (UTC)
I want to sit down with someone from the jimusho and have a long talk about how they are (not) promoting this group. What is this nonsense about only DVD releases???

Still, such a cute PV! They are definitely a group that cherishes their fans.
ozawa_chan 13th-Sep-2012 02:49 am (UTC)
kameshotajunki 13th-Sep-2012 03:15 am (UTC)
Me neither, some Johnny's rules are sucks =.= A.B.C.-Z has to wait for a long time to debut and they deserve to get more attention, it's so unfair if Johnny just promote for hot guys only, A.B.C.-Z is very friendly
chibi_hime 13th-Sep-2012 03:23 am (UTC)
They are hot enough for me! But yes, they are the sweetest.

JE has been irritating me lately. ABC-Z's poor "debut" and especially how they are treating Tackey & Tsubasa's 10 year anniversary. They get nothing but KJ8 have gotten a lot more attention and budget for their events and tour for their 8th anniversary.
kameshotajunki 13th-Sep-2012 03:32 am (UTC)
The anniversary of their kouhai are great, i guess they are still new in debut so anniversary could be a little too much. I just feel like unfair because they have to wait for so long but their debut is so poor, in contrast Kisumai late debut but great promotion and get many attention, i feel like people forget A.B.C.-Z :"( Johnny seems to give them debut to feel not pity for them i guess, everything is so poor compare to other's group, i didn't mean they are not hot, it's just the fact that Johnny put too much on hot guys like Yamapi and give nothing to A.B.C.-Z make me feel akward. They are very hard-working and persevere, no one could stay strong like them so don't worry, they could famous because they have precious qualities that no one has
lilly0 13th-Sep-2012 08:03 am (UTC)
Really? O_O Wasn't TakkiTsuba's anniversary event huge? I love these two and want them to have a proper 10th year anniversary. (At least we'll get an album with concert digest *waiting-for-my-copy-to-arrive* :D

But I'm glad for Kanjani8's to get some attention - they have been neglected for years after their debut (when I read old interviews or interviews from today when they talk about the past and how hard it was, it really makes me feel like angry) Somehow I feel like A.B.C.-Z is quite similar to them... I want them to have a proper debut! Singe releases, a concert dvd etc. (The DVD they released in July - ABC Za Star Gekijo - what exactly is that? Musical or concert?)
When they debuted I was actually more interested in Kisumai, but the 3/4 thing irks me and I honestly enjoy A.B.C.-Z's dynamic and songs more.

chibi_hime 13th-Sep-2012 12:38 pm (UTC)
Tackey & Tsubasa's anniversary event was only held in Tokyo. The tour isn't even going to the Kansai area but rather focused in the northeast.

As for Kanjani, they (obviously) have more activities and fans in the Kansai/Osaka area. So to me, they always seemed to be pushed down my throat.
lilly0 13th-Sep-2012 01:05 pm (UTC)
Do you think TakkiTsuba would have it easier now (popularity-wise) if they hadn't have their 3-year 'hiatus'? (Sorry, lacking of a better word here, but during 2008-2010 they hardly did anything as a group, only solo) They are one of my favs from Je, so I want to see them do well.

I honestly am very happy about the attention Kanjani (finally!) gets now. They didn't even have a manager till 2007. They got scolded when their 47 tour DVD sold better than Arashi's tour DVD in 2007 and 'strangely' they didn't get to release their next tour. Within all the groups in their age-range - News, Arashi and Kat-tun - they got the least promotion and were totally ignored. As a fan it made me so mad. They really worked their butt off on their own. I'm glad that they now finally made it.
So, I'm positive for A.B.C.-Z - fans can become very dedicated when a group doesn't get good promotion. Plus they seem to get along very well - which is always a good thing. It makes them likeable as a group <3 I'll definitely be following them.

chibi_hime 13th-Sep-2012 01:17 pm (UTC)
I definitely think that Tackey & Tsubasa would be more popular if they didn't take a break. Japan forgot about them. I'm serious. Many of my friends forgot they existed. On top of that, this sudden break had no explanation, so many fans (including myself) were wondering if they had broken up or not. They lost a lot of people in their fan club which affects the venues where they can have their concerts.

On the plus side, this meant it was easier to get tickets to their concerts/plays. I was able to be in the first 5 rows of all of Tackey's plays (but never Tsubasa's...) and arena seats for their concerts. And, this also caused them to work with a lot of juniors and I got to be exposed to more of their work.
rim1789 19th-Sep-2012 07:51 am (UTC)
XD But it seems that there were actually very very few JE bands that were well treated by the management...I mean, NEWS has been getting the worse, because at least Kanjani8 get each year a concert (but one) and singles often. That wasn't the case for NEWS

Arashi had to work alone for years, and as Nino stated they often been mocked by Juniors even before 2007 and reading how the staff use to treat them at the time...Ugh. They got popular on their own too

ABC Z seems forgotten even though they had moe promo for this single and at least they are in many butais, but I too wish they would get more. T T The boys are so kind and nice, and the performances are alwaus so amazing

Kanjani8 fans seems to forget not just kanjani8 had it hard for years, even Kissumai and ABC Z had to wait for yeeeeears before debuting and others have it harsh

I m happy for the attention they are getting as even though I don't really like their music, I like the members...But when I read fans stating how hard k8 got it I'm a bit like =.)= because not only they at least got to debut (which is way better than most bands) but they are not the only ones who got mistreated by the management, let alone who are treated the worst. In the long term, they were better off than let's say, NEWS(not always a concert, a single every one year and a half) or even ARASHI (all tours are not on DVD, single got cancelled and so)

I would say right now, only HSJ and Sexy Zone always have been well treated

All the others get treated better when they begin to sell well, which is not even the case for NEWS despite their high sales

Edited at 2012-09-19 07:52 am (UTC)
lilly0 19th-Sep-2012 08:31 am (UTC)
Why does it always have to be some sort of competition about who had it worst/best/gets promoted too much/deserves it more/etc?

The problem with this is: Kanjani didn't only get left out before debut, but also after. It was they themselves who worked their butts off, just like Arashi. I mean, they didn't even have a manager till 2007, they weren't allowed to release their concert DVD 2008 (apparently because they beat Arashi with the sales 2007), they got the cheapest PVs ever, they didn't have a proper debut etc.

A lot of fans from the other group only see Kanjani how they are now, not how they were until 2-3 years ago - THIS is what annoys me! Yes, Kanjani had a dvd release almost every year, but for Spirit for example, they begged the managment to let them release it. 2008 they didn't release a DVD.

There is not that much difference between Arashi and Kanjani - but even Arashi had a better debut, though neglected afterwards ><

I don't understand why fans can't accept this fact, both about Kanjani and Arashi. I like so many groups and I would never bash Arashi for their popularity. I know that they were having it rough - 6 years ago...who was Arashi?

For years, News (though they later struggled a lot ><) and Kat-tun were the only groups who got all the attention. Only from 2007/08 when Kanjani started to get more popular, they finally got some promotion.

You are saying that Kanjani fans are over the top with this and that they are seeing it wrong and that it wasn't that bad --> but that's not true, they are right. It was bad. It's not like the fans are making up something. This is how it was and they have every right to be happy now.

As for News, I never understood what's going on with them. They had lots of promotion till 2008/09. Then suddenly it got less. I wonder if Pi leaving the band was already discussed at this point, because for me it seems like something that was planned for a long time. And don't forget Tegomass and Ryo. News originally was supposed to be a temporary group, with the members doing other things. I guess no one thought they would become that popular. I was mad too when they were on this unofficial hiatus 2009/10. But don't forget the kickass comeback they got now. What kind of comeback did Kat-tun get? By far nothing that big (and I'm not even in Kat-tun fandom, but in comparison to News they were kinda left out)

What I'm saying, yes, true management tends to concentrate on the most popular groups and neglect others meanwhile.
But Kanjani was one of the groups that had it a lot tougher at the beginning, similar to Smap for example, or Arashi. - I don't understand why people can't accept that. It's not a lie fans made up. And I hope that A.B.C.-Z doesn't need to go that road, because it's definitely the more difficult road

But this is not a who-had-it-the-worst-competition. My previous comment was to chibi-hime, who was somewhat upset with Kanjani's popularity and didn't see that they were coming a loooooooooooong way.
The reason I didn't mention any other group was that our talk was about A.B.C.-Z, Kisumai, TakkiTsuba (finally back!) and Kanjani.

Talking about Kisumai, I think they are the only group who had been treated well before and after their debut. However, their 3/4 concept they have now annoys me to no end. And I wonder how long fans will bear with it.

I can't say anything about Sexy Zone, because I don't know them.
rim1789 19th-Sep-2012 03:02 pm (UTC)
I m stating that because I m also tired of seeing Kanjani8 international fans always stating that their favorite had it worse and imply they are the only one who had to work so much to get to where they are now

It is not a competition as you said, but I wish people would also recognize that YES Arashi had it bad and had been completly left out by management for a long time. YES NewS still has it bad, in fact being in the NEWS fandom these last few years meant not being able to get a single nor a live. As I said at least Kanjani8 always got live. They had TV programs, many Johnny s debuted band don't even have one. TxT promotion this year even though it's their 10th equals almost nothing, Kissumai is promoting but only 3 out of 4 are really getting attention and they are walking the road KATTUN akakame walked which is not great, hopefully with Dream Boys Senga and Mitaya are going to have more promotion

Maybe because I m so used to people from the fandom complaining and saying '' we always got the worse end'' when i fact, no they don't. Other bands are even more left out. As I said, NewS has to beg often to get what they want, and though they were supposed to be a temporary band, it has been years since they officially said it will not be, so I don't think that's the problem.

Fans can be happy, and even as a not fan I am Happy for the boys, because as I said even though I don't like their music, I like them ; Do celebrate, this is their 8th year. But the comments about how they got the worse end of the stick, how they alone had to work without any back up, how management left them out alone and stuck always with other bands do make me laugh or facepalm. Because JE did it with almost everyone. It happened to K8, it happened to others and fans should accept it. They were not the first, they won't be the last and probably as soon as their popularity fell they WILL be left out a bit or completly. When Jin left KATTUN the boys had almost zero promotion up until very very recently...They don't even get it much yet

I'm in the KATTUN, NEWS Arashi and ABC Z fandom so I can tell you that even though you think NEWS has a better come back than KATTUN, this is actually not really true. Sure they put more money on them, the concert were great but they only did small arenas. They also stated that they hoped someday to be able to do the Tokyo Dome . Whut ? When they are one of the best seller in JE ?

KATTUN has a tv program, lots of activities, we get singles, albums, domes and so. We are only waiting for the DVD. As to why they didn't celebrate their 5th year, it was only due to the Tohoku
lilly0 19th-Sep-2012 03:52 pm (UTC)
Yes, I get what you are saying.But this comment from me was towards chibi-hime, because she said that she doesn't like the attention Kanjani gets - that's why I wrote the comment and said that they came a long way and worked so hard. Besides I didn't insult her or the groups she liked and I didn't wrote a whole essay about it (I didn't want to get on her nerves, because you can't force someone into a certain fandom), so I don't quite understand why I came off as a fan who misjudges all the other groups and don't respects them!?)

I never wanted to say that other groups got everything shoved up their butts. Of course it's not that simple. I only wanted to say that for years Kanjani was neglected in comparison to the other groups in their age. This doesn't mean that KT doesn't have it difficult now. Or that Arashi didn't have it bad after their debut! I just meant that in that time when Kanjani debuted, they hardly got promoted in comparison to the others.

I have to admit that I left News fandom this year, because I got seriously upset with the fans and fandom. I just couldn't bear it anymore, hence I left. It was a difficult decision because News was the first JE and Jpop group I followed, so they will always have a special place for me. But for now, I left fandom. (and no, I'm not a die-hard Yamapi-fan either^^)

However, News did have a proper comeback - unlike KT, after Jin left, their comeback wasn't all that great, right? A lot of KT-fans seem to be upset now. I'm not really in KT fandom, so I don't know any details. I've only followed them around 2009/10.
As I said, I was never really in KT-fandom. I can only guess that it had to be quite hard for the fans when suddenly, after all these years where they were promotoed a lot, all the promotions got less. For the fandom this can't be really easy. ><

I think News only went to smaller arenas now because their last single was not really an indication of how much they will sell in the future and how big their fandom really is. I mean, it sold great, didn't it? But it was a comeback single, in 6 (!) versions. Many fans bought all versions, also there were most likey quite some sympathy-buyers. I think only when the 3rd or 4th single gets released, we can say how well they'll sell in the future.

By the way, actually I think TakkiTsuba get quite a lot of promotion. All the stage plays, solo projects, releases etc. Just that - sadly, because I love them - they aren't that popular anymore - I guess, because of their 3-year-hiatus (><)

You said it yourself that you are not in Kanjani fandom, so why don't you believe me when I say that they indeed came a long way? While I never said that others had it oh-so-easy. (I re-read my comment and see how it can be mis-read. But this was only because I answered a certain point in another comment)

As for me I'm in Kanjani, Arashi, Smap, TakkiTsuba, TOKIO and Koichi fandom. I would follow Kisumai, but their 3/4 thing annoys me. I still don't know much about A.B.C.-Z, but I'm planning to learn more about them. They really are an underrated group. Most of the time it's these groups that learn to grow close and support each other and think a lot about their music and how to reach the fans. It's the same reason why I love Arashi and Kanjani.

Kanjani fans know that not everyone had it totally easy, but please, let their fans be happy and hyper now, since they have waited a long time for them to shine. You said it yourself that you are in Arashi fandom, so, can't you kind of accept their happiness for now? Since it was quite similar to what Arashi went through.
I have no problem with people saying they are not in their fandom but I don't like it when fans are being jealous towards them now - it's not like they got it so easy during the last years - that's why I defended Kanjani in this thread. (And that's why, I guess, whited defended them too) You are annoyed by some comments that praise Kanjani - I personally get annoyed when I read those who say they don't deserve it (NOT saying that chibi-hime did that!! Just a general statement) I seriously don't even know what and why we are discussing this. To be honest, I was actually quite surprised when I got your first comment.

Edited at 2012-09-19 04:16 pm (UTC)
lilly0 19th-Sep-2012 04:07 pm (UTC)
PS: Since you are a A.B.C.-Z fan, could you tell me:
What exactly is their ABC Za Star Gekijo release? Musical or concert? (My Japanese is definitely not good enough for a musical ><)

And another thing: I dislike hate - and I'm trying to stay away from envy. For example: There was a time when I thought that Arashi didn't deserve their popularity etc. But envy is an ugly thing and I don't like it. I started looking into Arashi more then and into their history and their dramas and music and became a fan.

I'm just saying that to underline that I'm not only in one single fandom and hate all others. In fact, I like a lot of groups - even if I'm not in the fandom of some groups, I'm still following some of their releases or activities. In KT I love Kame for example and I have a soft spot for Koki.

I understand that you are upset when you read comments about how Kanjani had it the worst, when others also had it bad - especially when you are not in the fandom. But the fans are simply really proud, relieved and happy now that they finally are doing well.
Isn't it actually the same with News fans? Aren't they saying and doing the same? It's just normal that fans get excited and happy then.

I personally would love to see A.B.C.-Z get more promotion and a proper single release, because I like their music and their dynamics.

(Edit: sorry for the many edits, but I'm tired and made quite some spelling mistakes ><)

Edited at 2012-09-19 04:09 pm (UTC)
whited_79 instead of K8, you need to be 'mad' at Kisumai & Sexy Zone instead...13th-Sep-2012 03:21 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry if K8 now have all the attention they've been lacking for years. I'm sorry if they now have all the budget even though their PVs were nothing but shit. I'm sorry if you think they need to back down on K8 even though 3 of the members are already 30 years old and no longer have the time advantage in their hands and it's now or never for them. And I'm sorry if you think it's all the jimusho's work for pushing K8 that much, since the jimusho in truth always ignore K8 until they start selling well. And I'm sorry if all the works done are actually by their record label (and K8 themselves for shamelessly promoting their own group in their radio shows) and not the jimusho, who're only 'there' when they sell well and couldn't care shit about them when they're nobodies.

As their fan, I'm really sorry.
chibi_hime Re: instead of K8, you need to be 'mad' at Kisumai & Sexy Zone instead...13th-Sep-2012 03:32 pm (UTC)
I'm watching the First Wives Club right now and Diane Keaton's character just freaked out, screaming "I'm sorry!" over and over.

Anyway, this just shows that JE always had screwed priorities and probably hates Kansai. Well, enjoy this golden period while you can before they debut some pre-schoolers.
l_no_sekai 13th-Sep-2012 04:01 am (UTC)
cheap, but surprisingly it's good =)
need more tsuka-chan :(
binibinikahel 13th-Sep-2012 08:28 am (UTC)
Love love love!!!

costume change=FUN!

I hope for a single release too~~ I think it's time :)
bubbletea_desu 13th-Sep-2012 02:19 pm (UTC)
i really wish Johnny worked harder on promoting these boys, they have so much potential. They can actually sing and dance, and have worked so hard on getting this far ): I'm so happy they haven't given up yet because they really could be popular. they're worth more work than sexy zone or kisumai imo. its just that i'm afraid its too late for them now :|
then again, to each his own!
i really love their personalities though.
whited_79 13th-Sep-2012 03:14 pm (UTC)
I hope they will release a single next!
pipisays 13th-Sep-2012 07:55 pm (UTC)
If they're going to just do dvd releases the pv really should be well done and special and while this seemed cute in parts the production level was on par with most other Johnny pvs.

For some reason it reminded me of a cheaper version of the Chankapana pv.
blahblah 14th-Sep-2012 01:12 am (UTC)
I finally watched it and it's the cutest PV ever!!
I just want a single now~
edneichon 14th-Sep-2012 02:59 am (UTC)
Such a cute pv~ i really like this guys pvs. they have already a nice collection~
they deserve an album!!!
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