m0ssfet (m0ssfet) wrote in aramatheydidnt,

SMAP's 50th single "JOY!!" compared to AKB's selling method

SMAP's 50th single JOY!! (Victor Entertainment) was released on June 5 and sold around 300,000 units in its first week.
This is double the number from their previous single Mistake!/Battery released in February.

Joy!! is available in 5 editions (Vivid Orange, Lime Green, Sky Blue, Shocking Pink, Lemon Yellow), each edition having different content. All 5 will cost \7,355.

The CD also includes a lottery ticket which gives the winner a chance to attend a fan meeting event for the recently concluded drama
Kasuka na Kanojo, which starred Shingo Katori, as well as a serial code which you can enter in to win some goods that are not for sale in their 50! for SMAP! campaign.

Some comments from SMAP fans:
"We didn't want SMAP to resort to something like this."
"They're starting to sell cheap."
"The lottery method is similar to the Hallyu idols, and this entire method is worse than how AKB sells their CDs."

Now that the CD sales figures don't hold any meaning anymore, thanks to AKB, we should get rid of our notion that Ranking = Popularity.



8: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 12:54:12.83 ID:MAdlAeiA0

National idols (LOL)

9: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 12:54:35.59 ID:4kiRm5zd0

If there are 5 different versions, then shouldn't they divide the 300,000 by 5, meaning 60,000x5?
The contents are different anyway. Well, it's not exactly 60,000 since I'm sure that not all 5 versions are selling at a similar rate.


14: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 12:57:14.29 ID:9EtiI79U0

Oricon seems to have added them all up, but they also counted the sales individually per type

11: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 12:56:10.59 ID:jboWWCEj0

It's not an amount that one can't shell out, but it'll just take its toll mentally. The fans will just keep decreasing.

16: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 12:57:41.86 ID:tTmJ2ZtwT

I was wondering why they've been appearing a lot with AKB on TV, so this is it huh. SMAP sure have fallen.

20: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 12:58:13.20 ID:oSceBG1j0

Is it an evil method?
Don't you think buying different variations is much better than buying 5, 6 copies of the exact same thing?


29: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:01:11.40 ID:mzlGmc+w0

I guess you could say that


38: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:04:01.42 ID:gCh7B4aqO

It's evil because the 5 have different contents, which means that the people who want to enjoy the songs need to collect them all.

24: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:00:15.80 ID:o9ATL46SO

Victor's evil methods goes all the way back in the day.
They even sold 10 different color variants for the Southern All Stars.
Of course, that was way before AKB started doing this.


128: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:32:09.15 ID:wrpBLYtL0

That wasn't SAS, that was SMAP's 'Best of' album.

27: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:00:55.69 ID:2NgX+oTG0

> Now that the CD sales figures don't hold any meaning anymore, thanks to AKB, we should get rid of our notion that Ranking = Popularity.

How smooth of them to bash Yasushi Akimoto like that LOLOLOL


43: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:05:07.82 ID:xuuH3iZY0

I think rankings already lost their meaning a long time ago, and that's why this kind of sales method was born.

32: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:01:30.31 ID:8v1erOBL0

The consumers shouldn't be concerned about these sales rankings.
But this method sure is a turn-off.
This is on a level that would make me quit being a fan if I were one.

34: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:02:20.66 ID:N6g6mxUJ0

This is really evil.
But the consumers have the right to buy, or not to buy.
Therefore, there's no problem with this.

35: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:02:59.40 ID:LUXCFvx20

Don't you think that 300,000 is a horrible figure even if they did something to that extent? LOL
SMAP's totally finished.

36: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:03:03.93 ID:MAdlAeiA0

The ones who are buying are the old grannies, but the biggest victims here are the husbands who had to work hard and see the money that they earned be used for that purpose.

42: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:05:02.17 ID:SnKUzTVD0

Mr. Ryo Fukawa, please teach SMAP a lesson as well (related post HERE)

53: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:09:26.90 ID:7J1+5bSH0

SMAP sure have become pitiable

54: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:09:27.34 ID:RCgdgR97i

Arashi doesn't even need to do this, and they'd sell 3x more

55: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:09:59.41 ID:OAS+IGZU0

The songs are different, but it's treated as one CD... Don't you think that's weird?
I'd understand it if it had different covers or different freebies.

59: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:11:02.07 ID:jPCVjiLIO

Those who are interested can just buy the ones with handshake passes, lottery tickets, DVDs, and other what-nots.
The people who are only interested in the music can just ignore this, but when they split off the B-sides like this, as a fan you'd feel disappointed.

60: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:11:18.50 ID:+fkGjdTM0

They wrote the article with the premise that "AKB is evil" LOL
But that's exactly the case.

62: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:13:26.95 ID:Rd559kP7T

Johnny's has Arashi so they can still feel relieved.
And it's a smart move that Arashi are more inclined towards MomoClo.


63: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:13:34.45 ID:51kKhE9L0

I'm envious of Arashi. Almost all of their songs (over 20) are also sold using varying B-sides but no one's bashing them.
SMAP on the other hand has only applied this method to 3 of their 50 songs, including this one.

70: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:17:21.94 ID:erxSpN0y0

You won't be able to stop this once you start it.
How miserable, just for the sake of earning chump change.

71: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:18:06.78 ID:+HoAFGWu0

Adult games have different freebies depending on the shop you buy them from


110: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:27:42.72 ID:WutoFO4f0


But those games are downloaded illegally before they even go on sale. You finish them then go buy numerous copies of the game (\8,800) for the sake of 1 telephone card. That's an amazing world they have there.

73: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:18:36.29 ID:5z/+rI+L0

But the song itself is shi+e.

79: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:19:14.92 ID:mP2CLLfBP

For those that have different B-sides, they should be counted as a different single.

80: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:19:24.71 ID:WEHCID2F0

But you just have to buy one copy of each of the 5 editions, right?
One AKB baka-wota will buy 1,000 copies of the exact same thing so you can't compare them.


87: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:20:55.50 ID:I4wLYrqwT


Those kinds of people are only a handful.
And there are also the unpopular gooks and idols who throw in handshake passes.

The scale here is irrelevant, this kind of selling method in itself is a disgrace.

89: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:21:02.29 ID:51kKhE9L0

They're not doing it for "chump change", it's because they're celebrating their 50th single.
Yeah, they sold 3 different versions back in 2010 but they returned to selling just 1 version for a while.
And Victor doesn't have to rely on SMAP alone anymore since the Southern All Stars are back, so they'll probably sell just 1 version the next time around. (Related post HERE)


98: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:23:18.35 ID:RI5eZm7ZO

They should have made this into a mini album

99: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:23:39.36 ID:2NgX+oTG0

CDs aren't the only things Jani-wotas spend their money on.
Travel expenses for their concerts, drama DVDs, and they also have to watch their movies over and over again.
You can't be a Jani-wota if you're not rich.

105: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:25:41.91 ID:oSceBG1j0

Do SMAP fans even listen to their songs?
Don't they just want to join the events and don't even bother to listen to the songs?

112: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:27:55.69 ID:51kKhE9L0

The number of original B-sides for the latest single
(backing tracks and remix versions excluded)

AKB - 5 songs
Arashi - 3 songs
SMAP - 2 songs
Kanjani - 4 songs

SMAP just forcefully increased these 2 songs into 5 types, Victor sure has guts.

113: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:28:14.72 ID:3tTZEZtD0

Their fan service has changed a lot recently. Rather, they're now approving the fans to come closer to them. Idols sure become desperate for survival once they're in their 40s.

119: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:29:36.60 ID:Dg0Dp7dpO

But Arashi did this too, and thanks to that, their sales increased by around 200,000.


140: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:36:14.38 ID:ziRmHBJQ0


They didn't sell 5 editions like this, don't lie.

121: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:30:26.71 ID:51kKhE9L0

But SMAP is amazing for still being able to sell 300,000 copies.
There's no idol in history who are already in their 40s, who are able to come out with 5 versions of one single and still sell that much.
And I don't think there will be another one either.
They're 40!


124: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:31:05.40 ID:cmUAZp9U0

Even the other groups are selling 3 versions. It's just that they have 5 versions for their 50th single.

126: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:31:39.59 ID:51kKhE9L0

It's weird that people who seem to be thinking that handshake passes and B-side variants are the same are bashing them.

You can bash AKB all you want because of those handshake passes, but all other idols except for Perfume are selling multiple singles with different B-sides.

Even Arashi sold multiple singles with different B-sides everytime since 2010. They also did that before.


131: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:33:03.61 ID:cmUAZp9U0


True, everyone just started reacting because they saw AKB in the article, but everyone else is selling their CDs with different B-sides.

138: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:35:48.48 ID:JGO97bkUP

The evil AKB's at fault for starting this.
It's similar to one country having nuclear weapons, which gives the need for the other countries to have their own nuclear weapons as well.

148: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:38:04.01 ID:4Y/YmpRw0

Didn't Arashi come out with a \500 CD single before?


153: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:39:51.16 ID:XfQvuU1z0


They did something horrible like that when they lost to AKB

152: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:39:50.39 ID:GzU2+FvKi

MomoClo's album was sold in 3 different variations.
They shipped 700,000 copies but only sold 200,000.

162: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:42:41.88 ID:H9y1cA+30

Takeshi and Ryuichi Sakamoto once said:
Once one person starts doing it, everyone else will do the same.
That's what makes it dangerous.


173: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:45:36.68 ID:IVcDgpFMO

SMAP's become desperate after losing to Arashi.
At this rate, it looks like Arashi will even surpass them in the total CD sales as well as the concert ticket sales.

178: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:46:34.67 ID:3+qrfVs1I

So it's still treated as the same CD even when there are B-side variants?And I think that there are even special cases in which 2 different CDs with the same content are counted separately. I think they should clarify the grounds first.

184: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:47:40.44 ID:DDzK8gauO

Seriously speaking, among the CDs currently at the top of the rankings, I think Arashi's the only one selling their CDs properly.
AKB, SMAP, EXILE, all of these groups are using evil methods to desperately add a few more figures to what they're supposed to be selling.
Must be the turn of the times.


192: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:49:20.93 ID:cmUAZp9U0


I think so too that Arashi currently has the biggest consumer base, and they can still move units even when they do nothing.
They shouldn't be pushing themselves, so Arashi's choice is correct.
They're probably going to come up with other means when this drops.


196: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:50:48.82 ID:51kKhE9L0


But Arashi has 2 different video versions and different coupling song versions which makes it a total of 3 different versions. You're saying that Arashi is the only group selling their CDs properly? I can't seem to comprehend.

I repeat,
But Arashi has 2 different video versions
and different coupling song versions which makes it a total of 3 different versions.

188: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:48:37.16 ID:+X18MxUJ0

AKB is the root of all evil since they had success with selling based not on the actual song but on the extras that came with it. It seems that people don't care about the songs anymore.

211: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:55:21.87 ID:XbhRUC32O

Does SMAP still have fans?


236: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 14:04:24.58 ID:rI6jJbxYO


Of course, that's why they can still sell this much.
The haters just can't face reality and just keep on bashing them.

212: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:55:45.28 ID:erxSpN0y0

I think Oricon is the one at fault here.
I hope they don't count CDs with freebies as CDs.

220: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:56:57.42 ID:ljN546kLO

Some 40-year-olds who sing bad and are still passing off as idols is pathetic in itself, and the way they're so desperate in trying to prove a point that they can still sell this much is just... LOL
It's just their wotas buying all the CDs because of the freebies

221: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 13:57:02.38 ID:0/y3Th/gT

There's nothing more evil than AKB who makes their wotas buy this much

Rino Sashihara wota - 9108 votes

Mayu Watanabe wota - 5,566 votes

Jurina Matsui wota - 5,211 votes

Anna Iriyama wota - 4,000 votes

Sumire Sato wota - 4,800 votes

Mako Kojima wota - 1,585 votes

Rina Kawaei wota - 1,085 votes

256: 名無しさん@恐縮です 2013/07/03(水) 14:15:46.65 ID:mtYOq4iu0

If this was TOKIO's leader, you guys wouldn't be hating on him so much


Been wondering why haven't anybody post this one yet. Well, be it SMAP, AKB48, Arashi, K-pop idols, even EXILE each one are desperate to achieve high sales. Fans didn't buy cds for the songs anyway. Whoever got the best strategies and bonuses to attract fans bulk buying then they'll win. Popularity =/= sales.
Tags: akb48, arashi, johnnys entertainment, smap, tokio

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